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Signatures, Laser Engravers and Generative AI

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This is more of a tip than a tutorial—something along the lines of "don’t do what I did. ” 🙂 Like many others here on the forum, I have a laser engraver. It’s a small 5-watt model, but since I’m not very artistic, I’ve been using one of the generative AI models—in this case, Copilot—to create artwork for my signatures to use on my bowls and boxes.
Several generative AI models, like ChatGPT or Copilot, can create artwork based on your directions or prompts. For my signature design, I wanted a simple logo with space to insert my signature and an alligator to represent Florida. Below you can see one of the prompts I used:

"Draw a black and white circular logo with 2025 at the bottom edge. Include an alligator silhouette and a lathe in the logo. Leave space in the logo for my signature. Put the logo on a empty white background with a clean round edge. "

Unlike using a search engine, you’ll want to be as descriptive as possible when working with generative AI. However, some tools, like Copilot, have a character limit for prompts. Despite the limited number of characters, my directions are fairly detailed. I include instructions on the shape of the logo, the colors to use, and the design elements I want included. This is a sample of what I got:

CoPilot Screenshot.jpg


Visual generative AI is like a slot machine—you never know what you’ll get, and I haven’t found a way to correct an image. You can tell the AI to change something specific, but it doesn’t really do it; it just re-generates the image, which may or may not address the issue with the original. The only option is to re-run your prompt and take your chances on what you get. The advantage of generative AI is that it’s incredibly fast and cost-effective. You can generate dozens of outputs in a relatively short time frame, and if you’re artistically challenged like me, you can achieve a quality of work that you would otherwise need to commission from someone else.

To get a few logos I was happy with, I had to re-run my prompt several times. I rarely receive something I’m 100% satisfied with, and while that may sound discouraging, I usually get something I can use fairly quickly. It might require me to open MS Paint or PhotosShop for a simple edit, but for me, the time (and cost) savings are worth it. Think of the output as a rough draft—though that idea may become outdated in a few years. It’s something you can use but might need to polish before it’s ready.

Also, visual generative AI is bad at spelling. Even if you include the correct spelling of a word in your prompt, the AI often won’t spell it correctly. This is one of the reasons you might need to re-run your prompt. Additionally, it may add words from your prompt directly to your images. You can fix this using Photoshop or by re-running your prompt.

CoPilot Bad spelling example 1.png CoPilot Bad logo example 1.png

So after about a dozen tries, I received a few images I could use like the one below.

CoPilot Bad logo example 2.png

It still wasn't perfect but after using MS Paint to touch up the image I had something I could use. Since I reached my photo limit I'll post the finished images below.

Generative AI is great for creating artwork but like all tools it has limitations. It's advantages is that it's quick and can generative many images in a few minutes but you may still need to edit them when you're done. As the tools get better creating logos and other images to use for woodworking will get easier to use.
 
Something I forgot to include, once you have a prompt, for whatever generative AI you're using, save it. Either write it down, print it out or safe in it a file to use again. You can use it as a template the next time you're trying to create something similar. It will save you time and the AI should create something similar to what it did last time. Some of the tools have the ability to save conversations or threads so you can use this to create similar output to what you did previously but I would still save the prompts you created somewhere else in case you lose access to that tool.
 
Thanks for the thread. Anyone else been playing around with this? I have some AI software that generates .svg files that can be easily edited or resized. Like you Charles, I find that you have to be quite specific with the prompts and results are very sporadic. It is fun to see the crazy things the AI comes up with and some of them are even useful. Sometimes I try prompts just to produce something as inspiration for a piece. For instance, the prompt "Japanese style hollow form with a carved tree" produced the attached image. This exact design may not be a viable project, but it might be inspiration for something I do actually attempt one day.

JStyleHollow1.png
 
Good idea! If you get an image you like, you can bring it into a free program like inkscape and trace it. From there you can update text for the year and clean up any AI hallucinations.

I got a laserpecker LP1 last year and have been using a simple circular text design I did in inkscape. Maybe I will switch it up for 2025 and see what AI can suggest.
 
@Charles Cadenhead

Thanks for the thread. I have a Laserpecker 2 coming and one of the primary things I will be doing is using it for my signature. Using the brand is ok but I can never get it uniform.

Bob
I've had a lot of fun with mine. I'm really impressed with what it can do, though I wish they would make the app more user friendly. If you haven't seen them, there are several posts here from turners who mounted the laser on their lathes for burning.
 
Thanks for the thread. Anyone else been playing around with this? I have some AI software that generates .svg files that can be easily edited or resized. Like you Charles, I find that you have to be quite specific with the prompts and results are very sporadic. It is fun to see the crazy things the AI comes up with and some of them are even useful. Sometimes I try prompts just to produce something as inspiration for a piece. For instance, the prompt "Japanese style hollow form with a carved tree" produced the attached image. This exact design may not be a viable project, but it might be inspiration for something I do actually attempt one day.

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Darryn, I have seen a lot of AI-generated images similar to this and other woodturning projects online, especially over the past three or four months although yours is probably the most intricate I have seen. I would like to play around in this area but I would need some basic instructions or to be able to watch over someone's shoulder for a bit before striking out on my own. I haven't been able to find the help I've been looking for.

Charles, thank you for the examples you posted on making a logo.
 
Darryn, I have seen a lot of AI-generated images similar to this and other woodturning projects online, especially over the past three or four months although yours is probably the most intricate I have seen. I would like to play around in this area but I would need some basic instructions or to be able to watch over someone's shoulder for a bit before striking out on my own. I haven't been able to find the help I've been looking for.

Charles, thank you for the examples you posted on making a logo.
I see a lot of AI images online that people try to pass off as actual turnings. Most of them are obviously AI, but as the technology improves it will be more difficult to spot them. AI is a fun and useful tool but as with any technology some ethics should be involved. I find the use of AI fairly intuitive due to my background. I have been turning logic and computer language into things visible on a screen for more years than I care to acknowledge.
 
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