Can do that with a sliding headstock, too. But either needs some way to hold the tool rest that'll fit that large piece.
Ah, I see. I don't have either on my lathe.
Can do that with a sliding headstock, too. But either needs some way to hold the tool rest that'll fit that large piece.
The main difference is with the pivoting headstock I can set it back to straight in less than a minute. I also don’t have to remove the tail stock. My lathe will turn 16” over the bed and 39” outboard and can be switched back and forth very quickly. I rotate the headstock around 20 degrees and can stand in front of a bowl or hollow form to hollow them. I can also use my hollowing system while it is rotated out. I have never used a sliding headstock off the end but the pivoting headstock just seems like it would be faster and easier.Can do that with a sliding headstock, too. But either needs some way to hold the tool rest that'll fit that large piece.
A pivoting headstock certainly has facilities to hold the tool rest with the headstock pivoted. But might not fit an oversized diameter piece. Would depend on the specifics of the lathe and available accessories.
I have a 3520 with sliding headstock. I can slide it almost to the end, swing away the tailstock, and still use the banjo in the ways as normal. That lets me stand at the end for hollowing or inside bowls. I like that, especially since I do quite a bit of hollow forms. If I want to do something really big (haven't wanted to do that yet) I have an extension that will mount low and get me a crazy 38" swing. If I need bigger than that (like all the way to the floor - probably never will do that) I'd need a floor-stand tool rest (that'd be the same answer for someone with a pivoting headstock).
Well there's your answer! Wait til May and go buy one of Bill's used lathes.I'll be selling 5 of my lathes in May!
Good to know. I'm not in the market for a new lathe of any kind, but nice to know the capability of things, cause ya never know when you'll need to know...The main difference is with the pivoting headstock I can set it back to straight in less than a minute. I also don’t have to remove the tail stock. My lathe will turn 16” over the bed and 39” outboard and can be switched back and forth very quickly. I rotate the headstock around 20 degrees and can stand in front of a bowl or hollow form to hollow them. I can also use my hollowing system while it is rotated out. I have never used a sliding headstock off the end but the pivoting headstock just seems like it would be faster and easier.
But I remember being at Woodcraft for our club meeting when it came out, and several of us were quite unimpressed with the slop in the headstock alignment. And it wasn't long before Jet redid it and now it just slides. That 5-minute look tainted my impression of pivoting headstocks. Ya'll are sorta helping me get over that, although I still like my slider.
Not having to remove/replace the TS, and whatever one has laying on the bed, to slide the HS down. This applies for any time one wants a piece “off the bed” - bowl hollowing, sanding, finish application, buffing - that can be a lot TS wrestling, depending how one processes work. Yes some lathes have TS swing-a-ways, typically expensive lathes with expensive accessories.bit.... Is there any advantage to a pivoting headstock vs a sliding headstock? Only one I can think of is if you are tight on space,
A 110v lathe, 1 or 1.5 hp is plenty for most turners. I think, like @Steve Tiedman said, a 15A circuit should handle it ok. As an example, I have an older 110v Jet 1642EVS, 1.5hp and is ok on a 15A circuit.I'm going to tack onto this thread with a question.
Running a 220v line to my garage will cost more than it is worth. There are a number of lathes in the $2000-2500 range that are 1.5 HP 110v. Except for 2 and 3 HP motors, is there any other advantage to 220 vs. 110?
Currently I turn bowls up to 10" finished. I have a Wen midi lathe with 12" swing currently. They don't list HP but I'll bet it's around 3/4 HP. Maybe less. The largest bowls I would intend to make would be 14" give or take. So my actual minimum need is a 15 or 16" swing.
I could run a 220v extension cord if a 110v lathe is considered too weak.
Edit: I don't have any particular budget. For my needs, I don't think I'll need to go over $4k in any case.
I was asking the same question when I started a few years ago. An experienced member in our local woodturning club jokingly said "Get a midi-lathe, you'll live longer." Big, powerful lathes CAN be more dangerous due to the size and weight of what you can put on them. So I bought a Rikon midi 70-220VSR and loved it. Great machine and I had zero problems with it. I even added the extension bed to do longer spindle work. But after only a few months, I was truly addicted to turning and wanted to upgrade to a big boy. I was fortunate to be able to buy a Robust as a retirement gift to myself. The good news was I sold the Rikon for just what I paid for it. Good lathes do hold their value so resale is something to consider. To avoid frustration, I'd stay away from HF or an old ShopSmith. I'm seen many good used lathes on Facebook Marketplace and Craigslist.
A 110v lathe, 1 or 1.5 hp is plenty for most turners. I think, like @Steve Tiedman said, a 15A circuit should handle it ok. As an example, I have an older 110v Jet 1642EVS, 1.5hp and is ok on a 15A circuit.
If you happen to have a 20A circuit you might be happier, considering that most of us plug in not only a lathe, but lights and sanders and vacuum pumps and air compressors and more lights and whatever else we can think of.... But running a new 20A 110 would not cost much less than running 220.
Also note that many/most/some VFDs make GFCI breakers unhappy. In my new shop, the electrician had to put in GFCI for code. Jet wouldn't run at all - popped the breaker immediately, every time (I swapped that breaker for a regular one after inspection).
Yes, he was who I took the lessons from. Wonderful person, and a great teacher.You might want to connect with Mike Peace. He lives just north of Atlanta and is familiar with different turning clubs in the region. He might know of a good used lathe for sale. He offers private instruction, which is one of the best ways to jump start your woodturning hobby. He has more than 500 videos on his YouTube channel, and several of them are about deciding what lathe to buy. His # is 770-362-4308.
I have the same lathe as Dave, Jet 1642, and it works great for me so far. No additional wiring needed and it's plenty big and powerful enough for me. There's always something better but I am very happy.I'm going to tack onto this thread with a question.
Running a 220v line to my garage will cost more than it is worth. There are a number of lathes in the $2000-2500 range that are 1.5 HP 110v. Except for 2 and 3 HP motors, is there any other advantage to 220 vs. 110?
Currently I turn bowls up to 10" finished. I have a Wen midi lathe with 12" swing currently. They don't list HP but I'll bet it's around 3/4 HP. Maybe less. The largest bowls I would intend to make would be 14" give or take. So my actual minimum need is a 15 or 16" swing.
I could run a 220v extension cord if a 110v lathe is considered too weak.
Edit: I don't have any particular budget. For my needs, I don't think I'll need to go over $4k in any case.
Running a 220v line to my garage will cost more than it is worth. There are a number of lathes in the $2000-2500 range that are 1.5 HP 110v. Except for 2 and 3 HP motors, is there any other advantage to 220 vs. 110?
$700-900, for... $50 of supplies, an hour of time, and a permit? Keep calling around. If they advertise on billboards, TV, and city busses, don't call them. If they are part of a franchise, don't call. There'll be a local one-person electrical shop doing little residential stuff that will be much more reasonably priced. And if having to cable across the whole house, make it worth the effort and install a sub-panel in the garage for multiple circuits.Thanks, Dave. My electrical panel is in an upstairs bonus room at the opposite end of the house. I asked an electrician about installing a 220 plug right at the breaker box for a tanning bed. The rough quote I got was $700-900 for a 220 plug and 3 feet of wire. I was rolling my eyes on the inside. So I'm sure they would quote $2k to run it to the garage. And here I thought Tennessee would be cheaper than Vegas.
You need to find an electrician who doesn't owe his bookie so much money.Thanks, Dave. My electrical panel is in an upstairs bonus room at the opposite end of the house. I asked an electrician about installing a 220 plug right at the breaker box for a tanning bed. The rough quote I got was $700-900 for a 220 plug and 3 feet of wire. I was rolling my eyes on the inside.
If you have local Vo-tech or trade school, might be worth inquiring there if one of the classes might want to do an install as described by Steve above - If your 200 amp service panel has enough room for a 240 breaker (If you do not use an electric range or electric dryer, you likely may have capacity) you can run a 60 amp run from there out to the shop and do a sub-panel (Its what we did, but then I was Vo-Tech student at the time so we did it ourselves - buried cable in a 18 inch deep trench from house to garage) That way you can use the sub panel to run separate 15 amp light runs, a couple 20 amp outlet runs, a bit of space for a couple dedicated 20 amp circuits, and a 20 amp 240V circuit to lathe would be easy. The more technical part of it comes in when figuring how much of a total continuous load may be going at once (5- 20 amp and 2 - 15 amp circuits plus 30 amp 240V circuit on my 60 amp sub panel - just can't be running everything at once!) That's where your local Vo-Tech or Trade School class may come in handy - Often they may work for just the cost of material (so as to gain experience for the students)
$700-900, for... $50 of supplies, an hour of time, and a permit? Keep calling around. If they advertise on billboards, TV, and city busses, don't call them. If they are part of a franchise, don't call. There'll be a local one-person electrical shop doing little residential stuff that will be much more reasonably priced. And if having to cable across the whole house, make it worth the effort and install a sub-panel in the garage for multiple circuits.
Amen, Randy.While you never really know what lathe to buy, especially when you're starting out, I have found that what I envisioned turning isn't what I ended up turning. I always thought it would be a great big deal to turn 14" or 16" bowls, but found that turning bowls and hollow forms in the 6"-10" range is very relaxing, easy to manage on most lathes of the size you're talking about, and gives (me at least) a much wider range of blanks to choose from. I've put a 16" blank on my lathe and, while the lathe has enough weight and stability to handle it, it's much more difficult job and takes some of the relaxation and fun away because I'm more concerned about managing a blank that size in a safe way. Just something to think about. I only have experience with a midi and my current lathe so I wouldn't even attempt to give you input on a brand.
I said 12-14 inches because I don't think I'd ever do anything bigger than this. My wife's largest bowl is 12 1/2 inches. I'd like get to the point where I could make her a nice fruit bowl about that size. I don't think I'd want to make a bowl bigger than that - I don't know what you would use it for. Right now I'm gravitating towards a 14 inch lathe like the Record power coronet harold or the rikon 70-1420. They are reasonably priced and likely big enough for my needs for many years. One thing that does suprise me though is that they (and most lathes it seems) use a bolt pressing against the tool post to hold it in place. It seems to me that a pinch mechanism would be more elligant and less likely to mar th the tool post... The locking mechanism on the tailstock quill seems to be the same...While you never really know what lathe to buy, especially when you're starting out, I have found that what I envisioned turning isn't what I ended up turning. I always thought it would be a great big deal to turn 14" or 16" bowls, but found that turning bowls and hollow forms in the 6"-10" range is very relaxing, easy to manage on most lathes of the size you're talking about, and gives (me at least) a much wider range of blanks to choose from. I've put a 16" blank on my lathe and, while the lathe has enough weight and stability to handle it, it's much more difficult job and takes some of the relaxation and fun away because I'm more concerned about managing a blank that size in a safe way. Just something to think about. I only have experience with a midi and my current lathe so I wouldn't even attempt to give you input on a brand.
One thing that does suprise me though is that they (and most lathes it seems) use a bolt pressing against the tool post to hold it in place. It seems to me that a pinch mechanism would be more elligant and less likely to mar th the tool post... The locking mechanism on the tailstock quill seems to be the same...
I haven't had any problems with the bolt "set screw" marring the tool rest post (PM 3520B / Robust and Steve Sinner tool rests). But I do find that I have to lean on it sometimes to get it to hold satisfactorily.One thing that does suprise me though is that they (and most lathes it seems) use a bolt pressing against the tool post to hold it in place. It seems to me that a pinch mechanism would be more elligant and less likely to mar th the tool post.
Just saw that Highland Woodworking has Record lathes on sale. I don't know how their prices compare to others. I think the 18" lathe was $2,399 and the 16" Record Coronet was $2,199. There isn't enough difference in weight to make a difference so the 16" would serve your needs. Also, the head rotates to give you capacity to do outboard turning to a much larger diameter. I would say that, given these lathes weight about 310 - 320 pounds, you would need to add some weight for larger turnings and/or turnings where the blank isn't balanced to begin with. I think the quoted price includes the legs also; good or bad depending on whether you intended to mount it on your own bench.I said 12-14 inches because I don't think I'd ever do anything bigger than this. My wife's largest bowl is 12 1/2 inches. I'd like get to the point where I could make her a nice fruit bowl about that size. I don't think I'd want to make a bowl bigger than that - I don't know what you would use it for. Right now I'm gravitating towards a 14 inch lathe like the Record power coronet harold or the rikon 70-1420. They are reasonably priced and likely big enough for my needs for many years. One thing that does suprise me though is that they (and most lathes it seems) use a bolt pressing against the tool post to hold it in place. It seems to me that a pinch mechanism would be more elligant and less likely to mar th the tool post... The locking mechanism on the tailstock quill seems to be the same...
Yes the 16” and 18” include the legs. I have had the 16” for a couple of years now and am very happy with it. I have put some big chunks on the lathe and have not needed to add any weight to the lathe. The lathe is very smooth and quiet. I love the pivoting headstock. I have rotated it a few times for things that were too big to fit over the bed.Just saw that Highland Woodworking has Record lathes on sale. I don't know how their prices compare to others. I think the 18" lathe was $2,399 and the 16" Record Coronet was $2,199. There isn't enough difference in weight to make a difference so the 16" would serve your needs. Also, the head rotates to give you capacity to do outboard turning to a much larger diameter. I would say that, given these lathes weight about 310 - 320 pounds, you would need to add some weight for larger turnings and/or turnings where the blank isn't balanced to begin with. I think the quoted price includes the legs also; good or bad depending on whether you intended to mount it on your own bench.
Hi William. I agree with your height preference. Besides, what is "elbow high"? I've refined it for myself- it means the height of the inside 90 degree bend of my elbow with my forearm parallel to the floor. For me, it allows me to stand more upright (I have a bit of a slouching habit at the lathe) and keep my back comfy, but it is also about the maximum height that still allows for proper tool movement and orientation to the wood. Any higher, for me, and the cutting process runs amuck.One thing often overlooked it the spindle height. I did that on my previous lathe and it did not have adjustable height. It was really too low and I did end up with back issues. I could have bought “risers” or tried to shim up the lathe. but didn’t like either option. There is some rule that the spindle height should be at your elbow. Not sure where that came from and not challenging it, but I prefer the spindle height to be somewhat above my elbow. Just a more comfortable for me. Regardless of what lathe you decide on, check the spindle height and if you can adjust the height.
I can't recommend any Laguna lathe based on their customer service and build quality. My 12/16 has been fine for my needs, the lathe checked most of the boxes for features I was looking for, but in my opinion it's just not reliable. I'm seriously think about selling it and getting another lathe.Keeping nearer to your budget, the Langua Revo 15 or 18 is really a nice lathe for what you want to do. I own a Oneway 2436 but would have no problem if I had to downsize selecting languna.