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What have you de-acquisitioned - or not?

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I’ve got a bunch of tools, jigs and fixtures that I’ve made or acquired over the years, but realize I have not used in years. Always debate freeing up wall or storage space for something more useful, but usually end up thinking “well, there might come a time when it comes in handy…” and it winds up remaining. Lately I’ve got my eye on my homemade donut chuck and Longworth chuck. Since I got extra large Cole jaws, and been using a vacuum chuck, both have seen no use. Gouges that looked like the next great thing, but remain gathering dust. You get the idea. What can you just not being yourself to get rid of, or conversely have sent to the tool graveyard with little regret?
 
It's a question I need to grapple with right now. I've been offered a Bridgeport mill in great condition, but I really don't have a spot to put it. Something has to go, preferably something big. I do have quite a bit of storage space devoted to stuff I seldom or never use. Then there's the ever-growing piles of boards that are too small to be useful but too big to throw away.
 
I've got a few sets of beginner turning tools I bought at Harbor Freight hanging around doing nothing. I keep thinking I will make scrapers or something out of them but never do.
I'm finally sending small bits of leftover pieces of wood to the burn barrel. Can only have so many pen blanks! I haven't made a pen in quite a while. Also a bunch of mask and filters that don't get used now that I have the powered helmet.
 
Funnily enough I wasn’t impressed with my Longworth Chuck so I binned it many years ago. I wasn’t all that impressed with the Cole Jaws I bought Either so I made a Donut Chuck which I found much, much better. At last a really secure way of holding a bowl to reshape the foot. I had considered selling the Cole Jaws but you never know when it may come in handy. The buttons, grippers or whatever you want to call them could be better so I made some of my own. The Alloy ones are far too aggressive for say remounting a bowl but that wasn’t my intention. I made them for some careful off centre turning, and they worked well on the first outing. The green ones are general purpose.

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I don’t actually get rid of much, but items can go “inactive”. The shop is full, but I have all kinds of storage space in the full finished basement now that the kids are gone, including 3 bedrooms with closets. One BR (~14’x14’) is all storage, with lots of HD shelves.

The “inactive” stuff goes to storage, just in case, and many times I use an item or part of it to make some new tool or jig. The kids will have fun sorting through it all (woodworking, turning, motorcycle parts, gun/reloading, family heirlooms, etc).
 
I have a friend named Dave who absolutely cannot throw away any wood much bigger than the tip of your little finger. And, he keeps dragging more home. In his honor, I came up with this limerick:

There once was a fellow named Dave,
Oh the wood he would save and he'd save.
It was stacked to the rafter,
when he went to the here-after,
And there it decayed, while he laid, in his grave.
 
I’ve been in the process of downsizing for a while - I have way too much stuff, much bought long ago and replaced with better equipment. In the last year I’ve sold a spare bandsaw, spare mini lathe, Jameson hollowing rig with camera, a wood burning system. Donated a lot of tools and equipment I didn’t use anymore to benefit auctions. I’ve given away two other lathes and have a home for another , sent numerous tools, some chucks, a bunch of wood, three CBN wheels, a bench grinder and a spare Tormek, out the door but these were to friends, previous students, and for worthy educational use. I’m thinking of disposing of at least one Foredom rotary carver (who needs three). new Grex airbrush system, a a Vermec sphere jig, (I can hollow, chase threads and turn spheres by hand), and maybe my Woodmizer sawmill. (maybe I should post some here)

And farm-related: I sold three mini-donkeys, found homes for most of the llamas and alpacas, sold two hosew, and I think this will be my last years incubating and raising peacocks for sale so the incubators and such will be moving out of the shop. Already old one skid steer and several old 4-wheelers.

Anyone who visits my shop knows I have too much stuff! I hope to be turning as long as I can, but at some point, we all have to downsize or leave our descendants with an even bigger mess to clean up. (Hint: designate a trusted experienced person in your will to dispose of all the woodturning tools and truckloads of good turning wood - I’ve heard stories of the family of the deceased tossing all the wood, including exotics, into a dumpster or burn pile!)
I've got a few sets of beginner turning tools I bought at Harbor Freight hanging around doing nothing. I keep thinking I will make scrapers or something out of them but never do
I do collect all the beginners/cheap tools I can get for free or cheap - got a box full. I’ve ground a bunch into special tools, used some to teach sharpening, and given some to turners with limited resources. (note that some old and/or beginners tools are ONLY hardened on the tip. Can test with the scratch test.)

I have a metal lathe and a small mill but I’d try my best to make room for a Bridgeport!!

JKJ
 
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I used to love making turning tools. Considering the setup time, I would make several at a time. Looking at my inventory, at least 1/3 of my tools are shop made. I fear that most will go to the scrap heap because they have little or no resale value to today's turners except for maybe the skews. I'm thinking that I'll put a price on them and take them to the club meeting. What doesn't get sold may go on CL or FB. What doesn't get bought will go away.
 
Well, most of my original set of tools were from Craft Supply, and I don't think I use any of them any more, except for one small skew that I use as a NRS to adjust the shoulders of threaded boxes to get the grain to line up. I did have a set of Sorby Spindle Masters and I don't use them at all, and only a few times after I first got them. I never use a face plate any more since a drilled recess is more efficient time wise. Most of what I have, I use.

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Our club yearly has a sale and auction of items donated by other members. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure. It raises money for the club and puts the items in the hands of those who might use them.
 
My Nova cole jaws had been in a drawer for about 10 years or more, so I put them on our silent auction table at a club meeting a few months ago.
 
Exclusive to turning? Vicmarc VL300 short bed with 500mm extension. Too big for my interests, gone. (VL200 and Oneway 1224 with bed extension remain.)

Table saw, out. 6" cabinet-style jointer, should go out. I do own two 14" Delta bandsaws, both USA-built, so those stay. I'm at a good balance point for turning tools and accessories, not too many, not too few.
 
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My Nova cole jaws had been in a drawer for about 10 years or more, so I put them on our silent auction table at a club meeting a few months ago.

My Nova cole jaws also sat unused for years. Until a student had a product they were perfect for. We made new, smaller rubber grippers that fit his piece, he was quite pleased with his first finished bowl.
Tools like that I'll keep as long as I'm turning and teaching, along with face plates and some other tools I rarely use but are indispensable for certain special projects. Same thing for the vacuum chucking system.
 
Cole jaws come in handy from time to time if one does specialized work. This was a newel post cap for a big newel post. Only way I could see to do it.View attachment 74778


I would think a screw chuck would be way easier/faster and would give more clearance.

I never felt all that secure about using cole jaws. The time required to swap them onto a chuck body and then adjust all the little bumpers, just didn't feel worth it to me.
 
in the above sample, wood jaws were fastened to the cole jaws since the newel post cap was square. No rubber bumpers. I had to do several caps alike to match the specified profile on the plans. A whirling square would have been an invitation for an accident.
 
I myself don't get rid of stuff because of non use but I go through periods of finding stuff that I may have a couple of that can be used elsewhere. I have always found a young turner starting out and I gift these things to them.
 
I was visiting a friend's shop. I pointed to his tool rack and said "you sure have a lot of those". He had 4 or 5 identical gouges, all looked unused. He said he went to a symposium and remembered he wanted one, so he bought it. Next symposium he forgot he'd already bought one, so bought another... and he did that several years in a row.
That's a pretty good sign you have more tools than you need.
 
I came across a small box of hardwood shorts that I saved 20 years ago. It made me keenly aware of how important those were back then, important enough to save! There are people out there who would find similar value in what I would toss these days. I started giving stuff away and confirmed there are people who have interest in what I want to toss….giving feels great! Being a member of a woodturning club hooks you up with turners of all levels….they haven't had the luxury of realizing a “great tool” from a “great tool they don’t have”! Wood is scooped up fast….especially Padauk!!
 
I was visiting a friend's shop. I pointed to his tool rack and said "you sure have a lot of those". He had 4 or 5 identical gouges, all looked unused. He said he went to a symposium and remembered he wanted one, so he bought it. Next symposium he forgot he'd already bought one, so bought another... and he did that several years in a row.
That's a pretty good sign you have more tools than you need.
I stopped looking for a 5/8” bowl gouge because after getting home, they all looked just like my 1/2” gouge…something about here vs over there malarkey…left me with several gouges which cuts down on sharpening visits during a turning session!

I visited an estate sale last year and there were hundreds of lathe tools, dozens unused…$25 ea. So, help a brother out by collecting a bunch of tools…we will be waiting!!
 
I was visiting a friend's shop. I pointed to his tool rack and said "you sure have a lot of those". He had 4 or 5 identical gouges, all looked unused. ...

I do that, but for a different reason.
(but all of mine are well used).

For example, I keep six 3/8" Thompson spindle gouges since that's the size I use most often. (Oops, just 5 now - I forgot I gave one to a friend.)

When one gets dull, rather than stop and sharpen, I take it out of the handle and put in on the "to be sharpened", mount a "fresh" one from the drawer and keep on turning. When all are dull, I stop, set up the Tormek, and sharpen them all. Setting up the jig takes more time than sharpening so I just have to do that once for all of them.

By keeping several sharp spindle gouges at ready, I don't have to stop what I'm turning and sharpen - I have zero excuse to keep on turning "for just a little bit more" with a tool that's "almost" sharp. Works for me.

Same thing for skews. One gets dull, I grab a sharp one. I don't have a bunch of identical skews but most of the time almost any skew will work, as long as it's sharp!

JKJ
 
The only thing I have de-acquisitioned so far (I started woodworking in 2020) is a Laguna Revo 1524 lathe. I thought it was going to be an amazing lathe, but I had problems with the design of the tailstock and the loose quill since the get go. I had a lot of problems getting the quill to contact any blank at the true center of rotation due to how the darn thing was designed. Has been my one disappointing purchase so far.


Little story:

The technology called "precise point" is, IMO, one of the worst things Laguna has ever devised...it effectively makes a square hollow inside the tailstock, and the SOLE support for the quill are a very loose tolerance hold for the worm and a barely 1" thick piece of metal at the front, which is the block you use to adjust the pointing of the quill. The hole bored into that block, was also not tight enough tolerance to prevent the quill from wobbling around. At full extension, it could shift by as much as +/- 5mm or so, and it would always sag due to gravity. The design of the banjo on the Laguna is also, IMO, rather poor...it is quite wide, with the post at the headstock-side. This means there is a large gap between the closest you can move the tail stock, the tailstock side of the banjo, and the blank...meaning you have no option but to extend the quill a fair amount to come into contact with the wood. The problem I had was that contact point, due to the poor design of the entire tailstock/quill assembly, pretty much never contacted at the center of rotation. It would contact off center, and then when you turned the lateh on (or if it was already on), the quill would oscillate around the true center of rotation and vibrate.

I spent MONTHS trying to work with Laguna on the issue. The best they came up with, was a less than 1mm thick metal "clip" (for lack of a better term) that you were supposed to place under the two bolts for that 1" thick "precise point" adjustment block, and "jam into the track of the quill" to supposedly hold it in place. Suffice it to say...this DID NOT work. I've used a fair number of lathes from different brands now, and own a Powermatic 3524C myself now (the replacement for the Laguna). Every single lathe I've ever used, including the low end Nova 14DR and my Wen 14x20, use a circular bore in the tailstock that is a rather tight tolerance to the diameter of the quill itself. Since the quill is then supported along its ENTIRE LENGTH, with tight tolerance, it move truly strait and easily contacts the dead center of rotation of whatever blank you are working on. The Powermatic in particular, has incredible tolerance here.

While I was trying to work with Laguna on the quill/precise point issue, the headstock stopped functioning properly. One day I went out and I couldn't get the headstock to spin with a load. Even if it was just my longworth chuck, it couldn't maintain a speed and the RPM varied widely. With larger loads, it couldn't spin more than a couple hundred RPM. We of course switched to figuring that out, which involved replacing the motor first, and when that did not work, the entire headstock. Laguna screwed up when we decided to replace teh whole headstock, and sent a freight company to my door in less than an hour after we had talked. They arrived without warning, and since I had barely finished discussing the issue with Laguna, and had not been able to take the headstock off the lathe or even figure out how to package it, the company wouldn't wait. I finally managed to get it removed and packed a few days later, and the freight company came out and picked it up. A replacement headstock arrived...actually I think before I actually shipped the old one back. That resolved the headstock issue, but the quill issue remained, and IMO it was a fundamental design flaw (still my opinion!) Well, from that point on, Laguna never again communicated with me. Oh, except to ask me where the headstock was (which came MONTHS after the last communication, and I had already moved on, even bought a different lathe)....they claimed they never received it. I mentioned I had a tracking number from the freight company, but they never asked for it and I still have not heard back from them (its been a few years now.)

Suffice it to say, my experience with Laguna was not great. Sadly, I had read a number of forum threads dating back over a decade, that effectively warned me that this was a possible outcome. I did not heed them, and paid the price. The quill issue, IMO, is a big and bad one. I feared at the time, that they would propagate "precise point" to their entire line of lathes...which I think they did. IMO, that was a grave mistake, and unless they have somehow modified the design to get rid of the problem I had, I feel for any future Laguna owners. In any case...this was mid through late 2021. I gave up on the lathe, which was what I turned all my larger things on (particularly platters at the time, which is what I was having so much trouble with the quill with). I started turning small things on my Wen. I bought the Powermatic in February 2022, on a real steal (it was on sale, IIRC, around $4600 or so...at the time, the list price was closer to $6000, I think its still $5600 today.) The Powermatic is amazing. Probably not "the single most amazing" lathe...if I had the money, I'd own a Robust in a heartbeat! But its been AMAZING, and effectively flawless in comparison to the Laguna. I LOVE the tailstock on it...its ROCK SOLID STEADY, dead perfectly centered, and has tolerance to die for. The quill is rock solid stable even at maximum extension. I can turn anything I want on that lathe. Never have any issues. Oh, and IMO, the VFD is vastly superior to the Laguna PWM (the PWM, unlike the VFD, has very stark delineations in speed/power....when you bring a tool into contact with a spinning blank, there is a momentary jolting drop in RPM, then an overdriven rapid jolting increase in speed, then a small jolt as it settles back down to the chosen RPM....this jolting quirkiness with the RPM, always left me feeling unsafe while turning...another reason I ultimately replaced the Laguna; The Powermatic VFD, on the other hand, despite being internally powered by PWM, has a VASTLY more natural response curve, and doesn't change RPM like the Laguna does...its response feels totally natural, analog.)




The laguna sat around my shop for a while taking up a lot of space, and I eventually listed it on Craigslist as I desperately needed that space and had nowhere else to put it. A guy contacted me pretty quick about it, I voiced my concerns about the tailstock design, but he was pretty gung ho about buying it, and so far its been the only thing in my shop to be sold off. He seems to be happy with it, but I don't know what he turns. I've been woodworking for 5 years now. I probably haven't accumulated nearly as much stuff as some of you who have been at it for 20-30 years or more, but my small shop is really very packed, and it might be time soon here, to sell off some more stuff I don't really need.
 
Lol, I have quite a list of bits and pieces I have let go recently. Spare electric motors, a couple of Hollowers [DIY] , spare banjos, 300mm Longworth chuck about 3 ton of wood from my over sized wood stash.
The big lathe along with a mobile bench and vice shown here, all gone
 

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Things I bought but don't use much:

Cole jaws. I do a lot of NE bowls and green bowls and they aren't suitable for Cole jaws. I just use a jam chuck. There's certainly a place for Cole jaws.
Beal buffing system. My lack of use is simply laziness on my part. The three wax chunks are around here somewhere...
6 and 8 piece sets of turning tools. We know now this is one of the worst purchases for an experienced woodturner. I didn't know that at the time I bought them. My wife came home from HF with a set of tools for me. Um... thanks? Also will get reground.

That's about all I can think of at the moment.
 
Friend of mine had a slight "auction addiction". He finally got tired of not being able to walk around in his shop (probably around 1200+ square feet), so he sold some stuff - and I ended up with a 20" Delta/Rockwell bandsaw. I thought at the time I'd sell my old 14" Delta. Even cleaned it up, found the stored away extra parts, and took pictures. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I have since discovered that it's great to not have to change blades so often - the 20" is my wet-wood saw, and the 14" for fine work.

Similar affair when I got my PM 3520b lathe - couldn't bring myself to part with the Jet 1642.

My current plan is to sell the PM once my new American Beauty is delivered - we shall see how that works out.
 
Things I bought but don't use much:

Cole jaws. I do a lot of NE bowls and green bowls and they aren't suitable for Cole jaws. I just use a jam chuck. There's certainly a place for Cole jaws.
Beal buffing system. My lack of use is simply laziness on my part. The three wax chunks are around here somewhere...
6 and 8 piece sets of turning tools. We know now this is one of the worst purchases for an experienced woodturner. I didn't know that at the time I bought them. My wife came home from HF with a set of tools for me. Um... thanks? Also will get reground.

That's about all I can think of at the moment.
My list is about the same. Cole jaws with a hollow form don’t work. I was gifted a donut chuck that I also have not yet used. But I will.
 
Similar affair when I got my PM 3520b lathe - couldn't bring myself to part with the Jet 1642.
My current plan is to sell the PM once my new American Beauty is delivered - we shall see how that works out.
Almost identical path in my case. I started with a Jet 1642, had an opportunity to buy a used 3520b. Kept the 1642 and never really liked the 3520. When I had a chance to buy an American Beauty, I happily sold the 3520 and kept the 1642 which I loved. The good news with selling the PM was that I got 85% of what I had paid. It held its value if not my affection.
 
Sold my mid-sized metal lathe/milling machine and now have a smaller Maximat 7 which is adequate for most of what I do, and if there is anything larger I have a machinist friend.

As I got more into turning I "longterm-loaned" my full-height mortiser, and one of my two router tables to two friends with larger shops.
That way when I am doing flat work and want two routers set up for cope and stick, or making mortise and tenon furniture they are still available to borrow back!

On a regular basis I collect all the small scraps of wood and put them up as a craigslist 'free' listing.
They always get claimed quickly, and have also met new woodworking friends.

I still have way too much.
 
Almost identical path in my case. I started with a Jet 1642, had an opportunity to buy a used 3520b. Kept the 1642 and never really liked the 3520. When I had a chance to buy an American Beauty, I happily sold the 3520 and kept the 1642 which I loved. The good news with selling the PM was that I got 85% of what I had paid. It held its value if not my affection.
Out of curiosity- why didn't you like the PM3520? I have a Jet 1642 that I've been pretty happy with for close to 25 years, but at times have thought about upgrading to the Powermatic. Maybe I'll just stick with what I have since I'm familiar with it.
 
Out of curiosity- why didn't you like the PM3520? I have a Jet 1642 that I've been pretty happy with for close to 25 years, but at times have thought about upgrading to the Powermatic. Maybe I'll just stick with what I have since I'm familiar with it.

Bob, don’t know about others, but I love the PM3520b. I bought a used one that came with a bed extender. Works flawlessly.

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I also had two Jet 1642 lathes until I gave one to a friend just recently. I loved those lathes too but the PM is a lot heavier and could handle larger pieces, although I mostly use it for smaller things. I love the extra length with the bed extender, both for long spindles and for moveable trays I make to hold tools on the bed.

Also, some of the best turners I know have 3520 and 3520b lathes and love them. And if you have the space, there are several advantages to having more than one “full-sized” lathe in the shop, for example when visitors come or when teaching.

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JKJ
 
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I thought at the time I'd sell my old 14" Delta. Even cleaned it up, found the stored away extra parts, and took pictures. But I couldn't bring myself to do it. I have since discovered that it's great to not have to change blades so often - the 20" is my wet-wood saw, and the 14" for fine work.
I had the same experience as Dave. I bought a Jet 12” capacity saw a couple of years ago and thought I’d replace my old standby Delta 14” (6” capacity) saw. Even though my 400 square foot is getting pretty crowded, I can’t bring myself to get rid of it.
 
Out of curiosity- why didn't you like the PM3520? I have a Jet 1642 that I've been pretty happy with for close to 25 years, but at times have thought about upgrading to the Powermatic. Maybe I'll just stick with what I have since I'm familiar with it.
I never felt as happy working on the 3520 as on the 1642. A number of small things -- such as spindle height, bed length (I could turn baseball bats on the 1642), the native indexing system etc. It may also have been long familiarity with the 1642 which contributed to the preference. I had both set up for an extended period - I almost always went to the 1642. The 3520B was a good machine (held its value well as I noted), but I felt better using the 1642. I've moved on from both.
That said, having taught many weeklong classrooms with both 3250 Bs and Cs, I much prefer the 3520B, particularly due to the sloping and stepped forward profile on the tailstock of the C. Why that step toward the headstock was added to the base of the C tailstock confounds me. Combined with the position of the toolrest socket on the banjo, it requires extending the quill more than should be necessary to mount material which is thin/short between centers. I turn a lot of relatively short material -- spindles and plates/platters. I would recommend a B over a C.
 
Out of curiosity- why didn't you like the PM3520? I have a Jet 1642 that I've been pretty happy with for close to 25 years, but at times have thought about upgrading to the Powermatic. Maybe I'll just stick with what I have since I'm familiar with it.
I never felt as happy working on the 3520 as on the 1642. A number of small things -- such as spindle height, bed length (I could turn baseball bats on the 1642), the native indexing system etc. It may also have been long familiarity with the 1642 which contributed to the preference. I had both set up for an extended period - I almost always went to the 1642. The 3520B was a good machine (held its value well as I noted), but I felt better using the 1642. I've moved on from both.
And me - I like my 3520b better than the Jet 1642. For what I do, it's a better machine. The PM is heavier, has a larger swing, and a bigger motor. And I have the tailstock swing-away on it. And just feels more solid and stable to me.
Both are well made and I've never had any issues with either.
I could easily still be doing everything on the Jet. The PM just seems to fit me better.
 
That said, having taught many weeklong classrooms with both 3250 Bs and Cs, I much prefer the 3520B, particularly due to the sloping and stepped forward profile on the tailstock of the C. Why that step toward the headstock was added to the base of the C tailstock confounds me. Combined with the position of the toolrest socket on the banjo, it requires extending the quill more than should be necessary to mount material which is thin/short between centers. I turn a lot of relatively short material -- spindles and plates/platters. I would recommend a B over a C.
This is my one and big complaint with the 3520C. The banjo is very wide, and the design of the tailstock DOES require you to extend the quill more than should be necessary. Now, with my 3520C (from 2022), the quill is the most rock solid quill I've ever used, even at maximum extension. Still, it has always bugged me that the tailstock design kind of forces you to extend the quill more than necessary.

I've wondered about getting a different tool rest, something with a thinner banjo. I have noticed that OneWay sells theirs, which seem to be narrower.

Outside of this one thing, I really like all the rest of the features of the 3520C. Its a darn good lathe. Powermatic's 3520 line seems to be the most used lathe, anecdotally, based on the sheer number of videos I watch on youtube about turning. I'm never surprised when I see the gold and black pop up. People of course use others...and I always like seeing someone turn on one of those advanced Vicmarcs or a Robust, and there are a fair number of people with older lathes from Delta and the like, Jet, etc. Almost every "club" workshop video I see, the club uses a Powermatic. I think its a pretty good lathe, and for the price you get great quality with a lot of good features. The mobile control box, for example, is often a handy feature on the 3520C.

The thing about Jet, and the majority of my shop is filled with Jet equipment, I like Jet...Jet keeps things simple and on task. There are not many excess features on Jet machines. They do the key job, they do it well, and they keep you focused on the primary task. Powermatic tends to add a fair amount of additional features, and for power users I don't doubt they are useful. I'm still a relatively new woodworker, and I appreciate the simplicity Jet brings to the table, at least for where I am at right now in my career as a woodworker.
 
Thanks for the feedback, all. I'd only upgrade to a Powermatic if I could get a great deal on a used one. I'm happy with my Jet and since I'm more a spindle turner than a bowl turner, the Jet works well for me. So while the PM is heavier, the Jet performs well for my turning style. I have the 20" bed extension and have pretty much maxed out the length capacity a few times.
I do have a second lathe, an older Jet 1014, without variable speed. I'll take that one to demos if one isn't available at the site.
 
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