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Suggestions for buffing wax finish

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I just finished my fifth "tumbling block" platter. The first two were left sort of raw - just a couple coats of Watco Danish Oil, natural, and rubbed off with a rag. The second two I shot myself in the foot and thought that a couple coats of gloss polyurethane would look good. Wrong. After a bazillion coats with light sanding in between, I still get marks from either a brush or a clean rag. So, on this fifth one I'm planning on giving the platter a coat of "Crystal Clear Paste Wax" I bought at Woodcraft - when the Danish Oil dries thoroughly.

I'd like suggestions on what to use to buff the wax, preferably on my lathe. I could use something attached to my cordless drill, but was thinking about something hand-held.

And, what speed is recommended for polishing a wax-coated item?

Here is the bowl:
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First and foremost, I have no actual experience. But from what I have read and the way I am going to try it is to mount one of my buffing wheels to the lathe, use the correct compounds with the correct type of wheel, and hold the object and turn it.
 
Great looking platter. <caution, thread drift ahead> How did you determine the size of the individual pieces used? Would you use different sizes if you were making an 8" platter, vs. a 12" or 16" platter? One of these is on my short list, and I'm struggling with getting a feel for sizes.
 
Many use the Beall buffing products. https://www.bealltool.com/products/buffing/ When I visited an experienced turner he had a big box of shavings under his buffing area. When I asked him about it he said in case the bowl gets pulled from my hands. I too now have a box of shavings under my buffing set up. Be cautious with the inside of the bowl esp.
 
Many use the Beall buffing products. https://www.bealltool.com/products/buffing/ When I visited an experienced turner he had a big box of shavings under his buffing area. When I asked him about it he said in case the bowl gets pulled from my hands. I too now have a box of shavings under my buffing set up. Be cautious with the inside of the bowl esp.
Yeah, you gotta be careful with those big Beall buffs. I run mine at around 1400 rpm, and have had a couple "grabbed" from me when getting too aggressive on the inside. I should maybe try slowing it down a bit for better control. Anybody else feel there is an optimum speed for the Beall? I do love the final carnauba wax finish on some fancier bowls.
 
Beautiful bowl Jim! I do a similar finish on 90+% of my bowls (DO and buffed wax). I make sure the DO has dried at least a week and then use some buffs I purchased years ago from Don Pencil (essentially same as Beall buffs). I've learned to buff first with tripoli but NOT to use the white diamond on walnut (you'll get little white bits embedding that will never be removed - amhik). After the tripoli you change the buff and apply carnuba wax. In both cases you charge the wheel lightly with tripoli or carnuba, my error early in using this was to apply too much - if you can see it it's probably too much; a few seconds charging the wheel is sufficient. I'd use the standard 8" wheels on your bowl and run anywhere from 1200 - 1800 or so rpms depending on how comfortable you are, start slow and speed up as your comfort allows. Your bowl is an easy shape to buff, but make sure you hang on tight to the bowl and ensure that the wheel is running 'off' the bowl (wheel should make contact well away from an edge and direction of wheel rotation buffs towards edge). Tripoli, and then wax will make your bowl shine, but it won't remove the tool marks like on the top edge
 
Many use the Beall buffing products. https://www.bealltool.com/products/buffing/ When I visited an experienced turner he had a big box of shavings under his buffing area. When I asked him about it he said in case the bowl gets pulled from my hands. I too now have a box of shavings under my buffing set up. Be cautious with the inside of the bowl esp.

In the beginning, I lost several bowls because not holding it correctly against the Beall buffing wheel. It gives you that terrible feeling in your gut to see your just finished bowl go bouncing, spinning and ricocheting across the cement floor! :( The shavings might be a pretty good idea to save a few mistakes.....that is, until you get the hang of what you can and can't do with the Beall buffing wheels.

Rule #1..... While buffing the exterior, always hold the bowl inline with the diameter line, and pointing directly towards the axis center of the buffing wheel. This is the point where you get the least tendencies to snatch the bowl out of your hands. It's important to remember that it doesn't take a lot of pressure against the wheel to get great results......let the buffing wheel and compound work as it was intended.

Rule #2..... Always rotate the top of the bowl towards you when buffing the exterior, so that any residue left on the bowl is further buffed the next time you rotate the bowl. This would be looking at the side view of the buffing wheel, and the rotation is counter-clockwise......and, holding the bowl up to the wheel at the 9 o'clock position. The bowl itself will also be rotated periodically in steps, in a counter-clockwise direction.

Rule #3..... When buffing interiors of bowls, the bowl is held in one position, and the entire circumference surface of the buff is used as you run the bowl in a circular pattern around the buff. Many times, it's best to offset the central axis of the bowl with the central axis of the buff. This takes some practice. When doing the very center of the interior, it's best to run the buff in the same direction as the grain of the wood.

Rule #4..... Avoid excess Tripoli (EEE) and White diamond compounds. A little bit of compound goes a long way, and too much will deposit in detail grooves, natural voids, bark inclusions, inside corners, and etc.

Rule #5..... Assuming everything is going well, and you've progressed to the hard Carnauba wax wheel.....you can go ahead and use a bit of pressure with the wax against the wheel. It's hard to overload the wheel with wax (unlike the first two steps).....but, I'll bet someone here will disagree with that! :) If there is any "cloudy" spots where the wax hasn't been fully buffed in corners, detail grooves, etc., this can be easily spot checked and removed with a rag in some cases, or with an old toothbrush in other cases.

There may be more rules, but I don't have these things written down, so relying on memory as I type them. I may come back later and update the rules later on.....

@Ron Solfest, and others....You might try using some rubberized work gloves with the fingertips cut off. This is what I use, and it gives a great "catch resistant" grip on bowls. These gloves are cheap from HF.

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I wear some gloves I purchased at HF. They have a rubber "grippy" palm and really help securing the grip on articles being buffed. I was introduced to them when learning to build bamboo fly rods. We used them to secure a grip when pulling thin strips of bamboo through the rough planer before being hand planed.
 
Anybody else feel there is an optimum speed for the Beall?
I buff at around 700 - 900 RPM. Sometimes higher with the last wax wheel. Lower speeds seems to buff well and allows the wheels to be a bit "softer" and fold around the piece. And I don't "tear" away finish like I did sometimes with the higher speeds. That's my experience anyway - Your mileage may vary.
 
Folks - thanks for the great suggestions! I've ordered some stuff from Beall Tool Supply and will let the DO cure till it gets here. Mike Peace has a nice YouTube video on using these items, so I think I'm on my way.

Jim
 
I buff at around 700 - 900 RPM. Sometimes higher with the last wax wheel. Lower speeds seems to buff well and allows the wheels to be a bit "softer" and fold around the piece. And I don't "tear" away finish like I did sometimes with the higher speeds. That's my experience anyway - Your mileage may vary.
Thanks, Dave-I'm gonna try slowing things down a bit on my next go with the Beall (which will be on my new 2hp PowerMatic, which will no doubt be a good deal more power to learn how to handle anyway).
 
I took an old soft fluffy bath towel, cut it up into squares about 6" on each side, stacked them up, rotated each as I stacked them so the corners were not all aligned, put a hole through the center and a big bolt through the hole and into a large dowel. The dowel mounts into my chuck. I rub some Acks wax onto the piece, let it sit for a while then buff away. Seems to work well enough. Hey, out here in the country in TN we make due with what we have around.
 
I just finished my fifth "tumbling block" platter. The first two were left sort of raw - just a couple coats of Watco Danish Oil, natural, and rubbed off with a rag. The second two I shot myself in the foot and thought that a couple coats of gloss polyurethane would look good. Wrong. After a bazillion coats with light sanding in between, I still get marks from either a brush or a clean rag. So, on this fifth one I'm planning on giving the platter a coat of "Crystal Clear Paste Wax" I bought at Woodcraft - when the Danish Oil dries thoroughly.

I'd like suggestions on what to use to buff the wax, preferably on my lathe. I could use something attached to my cordless drill, but was thinking about something hand-held.

And, what speed is recommended for polishing a wax-coated item?

Here is the bowl:

I just finished my fifth "tumbling block" platter. The first two were left sort of raw - just a couple coats of Watco Danish Oil, natural, and rubbed off with a rag. The second two I shot myself in the foot and thought that a couple coats of gloss polyurethane would look good. Wrong. After a bazillion coats with light sanding in between, I still get marks from either a brush or a clean rag. So, on this fifth one I'm planning on giving the platter a coat of "Crystal Clear Paste Wax" I bought at Woodcraft - when the Danish Oil dries thoroughly.

I'd like suggestions on what to use to buff the wax, preferably on my lathe. I could use something attached to my cordless drill, but was thinking about something hand-held.

And, what speed is recommended for polishing a wax-coated item?

Here is the bowl:
not the question you asked, but wanted to point out that I've had excellent results with Poly with zero brush or rag marks. But the trick is to use wipe on poly. You can buy it in a can, but I make up my own using 50% gloss poly and 50% mineral spirits. thinned coats go on easy and dry fast. I can usually put on additional coats in 40-60 minutes. I add coats until I get the desired gloss. I don't like my stuff very shiny but more natural and usually it only talke 2-3 coats.
 
Doesn't that mean you are saving the wax seal off your favorite bourbon and using that on your turned projects? Are there any brands that aren't red? (shows what a whiskey ignoramus I am)
The famous one with the red wax seal is Makers Mark (which I used to use in mint juleps when my spearmint came in in late May). Not sure they allow Kentucky bourbon in Tennessee, where they make "Tennessee Whiskey" like George Dickel. The serious bourbon geeks can get all bent out of shape over the difference between the two.
 
not the question you asked, but wanted to point out that I've had excellent results with Poly with zero brush or rag marks. But the trick is to use wipe on poly. You can buy it in a can, but I make up my own using 50% gloss poly and 50% mineral spirits. thinned coats go on easy and dry fast. I can usually put on additional coats in 40-60 minutes. I add coats until I get the desired gloss. I don't like my stuff very shiny but more natural and usually it only talke 2-3 coats.
I agree. Also, I find wiping off most of the poly helps to produce a smooth, nub-free film, although you may need more coats. Some people go so far to say you should scrub the wet poly off. I still Beall buff.
 
@Gerald Lawrence Do you know of current suppliers for Vonax? Other than color, do you observe any difference with Vonax?
The only place I am sure of in the US is Mark Sillay. Found it on eBay but shipping is 25 to 30 so maybe not a viable option
 
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I really don't consider wax as a finish. I had a horrible experience with Beall's carnauba after an art show. I was loading up in a very light drizzle of rain. Anything with Beall wax on it was covered with white spots from the rain. Christmas ornaments is the only thing I buff now.
 
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