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Raymond Rhodes

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Mt. Jackson, VA.
Semi new turner here in Mt. Jackson, Virginia. I have been in the construction industry my entire life (51 years old). I have been a subcontractor or general contactors rep on everything from a 1k shed to a $30 million apartment complex and everything in between. My hobbies outside of building/making things are deer hunting and all kinds of fishing from Blue Marlin and Sailfish in South America, Salmon and Halibut in Alaska to trout and bass here in VA. The only experience I have with turning was in high school shop class but I was recently gifted a lathe and it has peaked my interest again. I would like to pursue turning mostly bowls and am currently looking to upgrade to more modern equipment. Record Power Herald has all the options and price I am looking for. I sought this forum out for advice on the purchase and instruction on turning. I attended our local club meeting last Saturday and plan to join in January when the new year registration opens. I also plan on joining AAW but have not done so yet. Below are some pics of my recent attempts at turning. Some have gone horribly wrong and some I thought turned out ok. Any and all advise/critique is welcome!!

First attempt.
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Second attempt. This was a vase but it got destroyed while trying to make the rim better so now its a bowl.......
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This one turned out pretty good but again, it got destroyed trying to make it better.
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This turned out ok I thought. I am waiting on a matching piece of wood to make a lid for it.
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A few others.
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The epoxy bowl with lid was coming out quite nicely until I turned it into a funnel, again trying to make it better. I am trying to take some advice I saw here and turn the mistake into a feature....
 
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Thanks Alan.

There was quite a bit of knowledge in the room at our local club meeting and the attendance actually surprised me. 25 people for such a small town was impressive. I took 2 of my broken pieces and got some very constructive pointers and tips on how to improve. I agree with the "Don’t buy much till you really know what you need" part of your welcome and that's why I'm here. I really feel like I need to improve my skills before I improve my equipment. No sense having a Ferrari if your a demolition derby driver. I am the " buy once, cry once" type so I want to be spending appropriately.
 
Thanks Kent!! I have been watching a lot of "turn a wood bowl" videos to get the gist of what direction I want to go. Yesterday I was looking at "Silica Gel Desiccant Beads" to speed up the drying process. I live on 9 mostly hard wooded acres so I have pretty much unlimited wood supply to start. I reviewed some threads on here where you were commenting on it but they were pretty old. Do you still use that method?
 
Hello, Raymond. Looks like you are well on your way! You seem to be full of creativity, don’t let anyone steer you away from that!
What lathe are you using? Do you have chucks? What kind of tools?

One approach is to use what you have until you feel a real limitation then research upgrades. There are so many good lathes available today, it’s hard to go wrong with any of them. Good lathes are always expensive, just keep away from the cheap junk. Ask here about almost any lathe and you’ll probably hear from a gaggle of cheerleaders! And there is NOTHING wrong with buying a good used lathe. Three of my 5 lathes I bought used.

I’m pushing 75 and have been turning for almost 25 years now - I started with the worst cheap lathe ever made by humans just to make one thing, then was hooked like a Blue Marlin and bought a good lathe (still in my shop today as a second lathe). I do a lot of teaching and demos in clubs - many clubs have a strong mentoring program. While you can certainly take classes on bowl turning and such, I think you can learn quicker and build a wider variety of skills under a mentor since the teaching is one-on-one.

I like that you are adapting things with mistakes - excellent! The biggest thing is to turn as often as possible and turn as many different things as possible. “The more you turn, the more you learn, the more you learn, the less you burn!” When a student does make a mistake and feels horrified, I pull out my “Box ‘O Shame” and show them that EVERYONE does that at times, even after a lot of experience. Sometimes we can fix their piece, perhaps turning a contrasting piece to patch a funnel box and transform it from mistake to masterpiece!

Most people want to turn bowls, some only turn bowls (maybe bigger and bigger bowls) with perhaps some platters and hollow forms. Bowls are great, but there is an alternative path to consider, one recommended by many experts - if you learn spindle turning first, it will teach the fine tool control needed to turn anything with expertise, bowls included. Some well-know turners who have reinforced this: Richard Raffan, Keith Rowley, Mike Darlow, Jimmy Clewes, more. I’ve encountered bowl turners who couldn’t turn a spindle if they had to - many are even afraid of the most basic tool in the kit - the skew chisel. Even professional demonstrators sometimes make jokes about the skew: “Great for opening paint cans”, etc. Starting with spindle turning is not popular with many but one thing is guaranteed: it works.

For this reason, the first tool I put in a beginner’s hands is the skew, even if they have never seen a lathe before. I think it’s the best to learn how to let the edge interact with the wood to for controlled cuts. (Not one student has ever gotten a catch. I’ve taught remedial skew turning to some “oldsters” too who tried the skew long before, got a bad catch, then gave up. Some now use the skew often!) After the skew, we go to the spindle gouge, then the roughing gouge and a few other spindle tools, then later, learn how to turn a basic bowl - IMO bowls are the easiest things to turn! I personally have turned many, large and small, but I prefer the variety of turning many non-bowls things, thin spindles, ornaments, small lidded boxes (some threaded), lots of things for the kitchen and as gifts for friends.

I've posted these pictures before: these two college students came for a one day lesson - we learned the skew and spindles in the morning and they each made something to take home. After lunch they each did a practice bowl then a cherry take-home bowl. Good clean fun. (One now has her own lathe and turns a LOT!)

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Fortunately, you live in a part of the country where good hardwood is easy to come by and basically free. Do you have a good bandsaw? (the second most important tool in the shop after the lathe, IMO.) Many of the things I like to turn are best made from dry wood which is sometimes hard to find and not always cheap. I like to cut up green log sections into useful turning blank sizes and dry them. I’ve cut and dried thousands of blanks over the years - if you process a few occasionally, eventually you’ll have more dry wood than you can use and plenty to give away! If interested in that, I have a post in the Tutorials/Tips section on this forum with some ideas in a video.

JKJ
 
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Hello John. I am currently using a Craftsman 12" lathe (pic below) and some Craftsman tools all of which were given to me. I did buy a chuck, a live center and a bowl gouge. One of the pulleys on the lathe has already broken but luckily I was able to find a replacement on eBay. I have searched the used market in my area and haven't found much yet.

I plan to approach some of the members at my local club about mentoring but I wanted to break the ice at the first meeting and maybe show I'm for real by showing up again. What you said about adapting things by your mistakes is a rule I have learned to live by! I broke off or backlashed many a Blue Marlin before I ever caught one and I built many a wall out of square and plumb when I was learning. I was lucky that my father was a great teacher with patience and a "you'll get'er next time" attitude.

To your point on spindles. I haven't tried turning one but I will now. My reasoning behind not doing it is I want to do "one off" things. Spindles in my mind are chair and table legs. In the business I'm in almost EVERYTHING has to square, plumb, even reveals, nice sloped grades, symmetrical etc. Trying to turn 4 chair AR table legs all exactly the same seems impossible to me but I will give it a shot. You mentioned "lidded box (some threaded)" I would be very interested in learning how to do that!

I do not currently have a band saw but I can pick one up here on the used market fairly cheap. The research I have done leads me to think 14" is the way to go. I have been using a chain saw up to this point. It's funny you linked that video, I had actually already watched it. Very insightful. Thanks for all the great information and guidance. I appreciate it! 1000009730.jpg
 
Hey, I started on the same single tube lathe! Mine was a copy sold at Home Depot under the Ridgid name. It was so nice to upgrade to a Jet1642 and again later to a PM3520b, the last lathe I'll ever need. I gave the tube lathe away.

Spindles to me are more than legs or banisters! Never turned one. (Oh, there are some tricks to make sure multiples end up be identical, or so close the eye can't tell.) I like to do a wide variety of things, but the main point is the tool control learned by practice with the skew and spindle gouge.

I've turned a zillion things but I prefer to turn thin spindles, finials, "magic" wands, conductors batons, hairsticks, etc, some of these are difficult if you don't know how, especially if they are long. I turn lots of boxes, finger tops, and other things in the end grain mode where seasonal distortion is not as much a problem. I turn for fun, not money, but have accidentally made a few thousand$ at times.

Some examples, if you are interested, pictures thrown together from my files:

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Some spindles, some with spindle parts, turned in spindle orientation, all easier with good tool control!

And my 1st threaded lidded boxes, ebony and B&W ebony.
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JKJ
 
Thanks Kent!! I have been watching a lot of "turn a wood bowl" videos to get the gist of what direction I want to go. Yesterday I was looking at "Silica Gel Desiccant Beads" to speed up the drying process. I live on 9 mostly hard wooded acres so I have pretty much unlimited wood supply to start. I reviewed some threads on here where you were commenting on it but they were pretty old. Do you still use that method?

I'm in much the same boat as you with 5 acres of woods here.

I've never used the beads. Seems like a good approach, though. I have used a number of different drying methods on green pieces.
  • Microwave - I did this for a while, mostly because I was impatient. I haven't microwaved recently.
  • Nothing - I often let pieces dry in the house without doing anything special with them.
  • Rough turn then set aside for a second turning. Not exactly the same category.
Some folks use a brown paper bag with no shavings. Change the bag every couple of days. Others add shavings, but the no-shavings way seems to be preferred.

With any form of drying, the goal is to stabilize the wood without cracks forming. The exact method will depend on how wet, the species of wood, wall thickness of your piece, and so on. When in doubt, low and slow wins the day.
 
Thanks John!! Very nice turnings there and some great ideas for me to try spindles.

Thanks Kent!! I think impatience is going to get the better of me and I may try a segmented turning or a bowl from a board and see how that goes.
 
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