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Help me design a bowl foot

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Can you give me your thoughts on the foot of this bowl? This is some beautiful quilted maple. To my eye, the base doesn't seem to fit well with the bowl, but I can't quite describe why. Perhaps it's too tall, or its shape isn't a continuation of the shape of the bowl. Would appreciate your feedback.


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I love that you're thinking about design and flow. I agree with Russ in that this bowl might look best without a foot. Given your nice curve, this could be a good round bottom candidate (or maybe just a little penny/nickel-sized dimple). If you want to add a foot, something small (maybe 1/4" tall) and flared could look attractive.

If don't have this, or haven't heard of this, Raffan wrote an incredible book on aesthetic bowl design, The Art of the Turned Bowl. Highly, highly recommended.
 
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I strongly agree with the responses! The form of the bowl is beautiful by itself. To me, the bottom interrupts and distracts from the form.

Like Michael, I also like that you are considering the overall piece and open to suggestions. Over the years I've seen some that I wished had done the same thing!!

Michael, I thought I had all of Raffan's books - how did I miss this one. Just fixed that omission.

JKJ
 
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Ken.

I've been thinking further about bases and feet (I know, that's dangerous!)

I believe what really matters is what YOU like! But how will you know unless you experiment, look, and feel? One important thing to me is how the piece feels in the hand - does it feel top heavy, balanced, bottom heavy? As someone illustrated, how would the form look without the base? How will the piece look when turned over to reveal the bottom? How stable does it need to be?

Besides asking on a forum, maybe show pieces to a friend or to a turning club meeting and ask for critique. (That can be brutal at times!)

I personally believe it is vital to turn many different designs to discover what you like and don't like. I've experimented with lots different styles and shapes over the years. For things I want to be very stable, I prefer a wide foot. On some I have no foot. Since people almost always turn it over and look at the bottom, I sometimes turn detail within the foot. People seem to like the little surprises on the bottom (and inside a lid).

One thing that almost always helps me is to make a sketch of a form I'm considering, often with several variations. I can usually visualize the piece from the sketch.

After a while I discover some things I personally like a lot and others, not so much! I keep very few but I take pictures of almost everything. When considering a form, I may review old pictures for ideas.

This is a small sample of a few shapes and feet I've generally liked, for one reason or another. Some are large, some quite small.
I won't show pictures of those I've thrown out!

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Ha, this reminds me of a story about the worst bowl I ever made. It was so bad I was about to throw in in the fire by the barn when my favorite veterinarian came by to look at a horse. When she exclaimed about the bowl on the ground I asked if she would like to have it, maybe for cat food. My only condition was she promise to NEVER, EVER tell anyone who made it! She promised. Fast forward a few months: I attended a party at their place. When I walked in, I saw the bowl on the table with nuts or candy or something. She said, "Hey everybody, this is John. He's the one who made this bowl!" :eek:

JKJ
 
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She promised. Fast forward a few months: I attended a party at their place. When I walked in, I saw the bowl on the table with nuts or candy or something. She said, "Hey everybody, this is John. He's the one who made this bowl!" :eek:
Ha !!! 😂 So much for anonymity! Still your veterinarian???
 
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Ha !!! 😂 So much for anonymity! Still your veterinarian???

Yes! It was more funny than anything. (Most people out there can't tell a good bowl from a terribly ugly one.)

We actually use four vets, depending. I also have a woodturning vet friend but she lives too far away to come for the animals. She does come to visit when possible, and to take home some wood. :)
 
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Ken.

I've been thinking further about bases and feet (I know, that's dangerous!)

I believe what really matters is what YOU like! But how will you know unless you experiment, look, and feel? One important thing to me is how the piece feels in the hand - does it feel top heavy, balanced, bottom heavy? As someone illustrated, how would the form look without the base? How will the piece look when turned over to reveal the bottom? How stable does it need to be?

Besides asking on a forum, maybe show pieces to a friend or to a turning club meeting and ask for critique. (That can be brutal at times!)

I personally believe it is vital to turn many different designs to discover what you like and don't like. I've experimented with lots different styles and shapes over the years. For things I want to be very stable, I prefer a wide foot. On some I have no foot. Since people almost always turn it over and look at the bottom, I sometimes turn detail within the foot. People seem to like the little surprises on the bottom (and inside a lid).

One thing that almost always helps me is to make a sketch of a form I'm considering, often with several variations. I can usually visualize the piece from the sketch.

After a while I discover some things I personally like a lot and others, not so much! I keep very few but I take pictures of almost everything. When considering a form, I may review old pictures for ideas.

This is a small sample of a few shapes and feet I've generally liked, for one reason or another. Some are large, some quite small.
I won't show pictures of those I've thrown out.

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Ha, this reminds me of a story about the worst bowl I ever made. It was so bad I was about to throw in in the fire by the barn when my favorite veterinarian came by to look at a horse. When she exclaimed about the bowl on the ground I asked if she would like to have it, maybe for cat food. My only condition was she promise to NEVER, EVER tell anyone who made it! She promised. Fast forward a few months: I attended a party at their place. When I walked in, I saw the bowl on the table with nuts or candy or something. She said, "Hey everybody, this is John. He's the one who made this bowl!" :eek:

JKJ
Gosh, your work is really exceptional John!!
 
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About 20 years ago I had a commission for a triangular shallow bowl. I was about to throw an "almost there" version in the fireplace when my wife grabbed it. I still see it every day in our kitchen. I think its gotten better.
 
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Everyone, THANK YOU so very much for the constructive feedback and for your encouragement. This was a really beautiful blank and I've wanted to make it a special piece. As someone noticed, it cracked when drying, and I tried to cut it out, only to realize how deeply it went into the blank. I filled the cracks with CA glue and the new owners will be the ones who learn how it holds up over time.

The pedestal foot is something that I've been playing with, and can't seem to figure out the proportions. I've seen it on Jonathan Renton's IG, and like the unique form. Will keep working on it.

I turned the foot this evening, playing with a little pedestal, and eventually pulling in the curve more, as @hockenberry suggested. Also eliminated the pedestal all together and keeping a small cove detail.

It's not my best bowl form, to be honest. You all are very helpful critics, and I'd appreciate all of your thoughts. As many of you have said, we should all try new things, learn from them, and be comfortable with making mistakes. At this point, I'm VERY comfortable! haha.

Thanks again.

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Everyone, THANK YOU so very much for the constructive feedback and for your encouragement. This was a really beautiful blank and I've wanted to make it a special piece. As someone noticed, it cracked when drying, and I tried to cut it out, only to realize how deeply it went into the blank. I filled the cracks with CA glue and the new owners will be the ones who learn how it holds up over time.

The pedestal foot is something that I've been playing with, and can't seem to figure out the proportions. I've seen it on Jonathan Renton's IG, and like the unique form. Will keep working on it.

I turned the foot this evening, playing with a little pedestal, and eventually pulling in the curve more, as @hockenberry suggested. Also eliminated the pedestal all together and keeping a small cove detail.

It's not my best bowl form, to be honest. You all are very helpful critics, and I'd appreciate all of your thoughts. As many of you have said, we should all try new things, learn from them, and be comfortable with making mistakes. At this point, I'm VERY comfortable! haha.

Thanks again.

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Looks great! That is what all of us are here for!
 
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