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Wood Storage, show me your solutions.

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I am building a new turning studio. I acquired 600 pounds of dried exotic and local hardwoods most of which are no bigger that 10x10x3. Really nice stuff, Purple Heart, Cocobola, Redwood Burl, Tulip wood, Paduk, Bloodwood, Pink Ivory, etc. But there are also, numerous small 2x2s, pen blanks and other pieces and shorts. One question I have is, if I set the electric heater for my space to 50 degrees, would this be enough temperature stability (PS, I live in a dry part of the country, Denver). So temperature would swing from say 50 to 100 degrees. Is this OK? End grain is sealed on these pieces of stock.
Next, I'm trying to make this an attractive work space, I would love to see your solutions for storing your small and often exotic wood stock in an attractive manner. I also have concerns about light exposure and cracks to these exotics, should I be concerned? Would I be better off having at least the exotics in a closed cabinet? Yes, cracks can be filled, I just want to protect my investment.
 
Hello Todd. Building a studio- a new building from the ground up? Or, taking over space in a non-climate-controlled building (like a garage)? Or building a little 10'x12' garden shed kit from your local lumber yard?

Your new wood stash, you state it's already dry. Unless you are going to continue to let it see seasonal swings of outside temp and humidity (guessing your area doesn't get summer humidity like they can to your east at lower elevations), your wood will probably stay pretty stable if you can just maintain temperature.

Consider for the moment that your finished pieces will not live at 50 degrees, they'll live in warmer temps, year around. Therefore, why not have your shop heated and cooled (and if needed, very gently humidified) to the same level as the homes your work will live in?

It is a one-time investment to install proper struture insulation (under floor, walls, attic/roof) and vapor retarder to meet your local building codes. And then install heating equipment sized for the space and the insulation value of the structure.

I'm in the Minneapolis, MN area, working in a 1-stall garage-size space, which is part of a larger, old garage. I furred-out the four 2x4 shop walls to accept 6" batt insulation with vapor retarder on the warm side of the insulation (don't do this in southern, warm-winter climates), and admittedly I've not added more than the same to the ceiling (6" from the last owner, it should be about 15-16" for my area, R-49, it's on my to-do list). I have no way to insulate the floor unless I went over the top of the existing floor. My point is, if you are building space more or less from scratch, build it right the first time, then be comfortable in your work space every day of the year. Visit your town building inspector to ask about insulation requirements for your area, you'll be thankful for your efforts in the end.

In my shop, whether I'm in it or not, I keep the heat set at right about 65 degrees from fall through spring. (For periods of wood finishing, I may bring the temp up to 70 to get the finish to cure.) In the cooling season, a window air condition, set to automatic mode, keeps the shop temp at about 72 all summer long. All the wood is stable, all of the machines are free of condensation, and I'm comfortable working in there. I don't add humidity in the dry winter months (over-humidifying can lead to building damage, an entirely different discussion), but if you feel you want a bit more moisture in the air, set a cake pan somewhere in the space, and pour a cup of water into it, and see how it evaporates daily, but do not over-humidify. But I don't fight with mother nature with winter humidity levels, too easy to create liquid water inside the cold walls if vapor retarders are not properly installed. I do not set back the heat when I'm not in the shop because of thermal mass. If I set it back to 55 when I'm absent, then up to 65 when present, the heater has to run longer and with more firing cycles to not just warm the air, but also re-heat every item in the space, including floor, walls, and ceiling (thermal mass). That could take many, many hours longer than you are in the space. Set it, and forget it.

Lastly, my wood storage? Anywhere I can jam it. Ain't nothin' pretty about it, so, no photos.
 
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I have too much wood said no turner ever! I am contemplating building a 200 sq. ft. wood storage building. This is the maximum size I can build without a permit. I do not think it will be enough. I have a lot of boards for flat work and lots of odds and ends of stuff in all sorts of sizes and shapes, from 2 foot long log sections, and every thing in between. Every work bench I have has storage under it and most of that is for wood. My chop saw/morticing machine/router table is 16 by 4 feet, and has a shelf half way up. It is stacked from floor to bench bottom with all sorts of slabs and log sections. Several other piles around the shop. One thing I didn't plan well enough for was the amount of wood storage I needed..... I am guessing maybe 1/4 of the shop.

robo hippy
 
Everytime I bring home more wood, and manage to absorb it, I feel like the college kid waking up with a hangover and saying "I'm never drinking again" And then, the next time someone say's "hey do you want a log, chunk, board, or tree?" I find myself loading up the truck again.

For storage, it ain't fancy, nor worth picturing. And like others, it is everywhere and in board form, burls, stumps, slabs, and scraps - oh the scraps...
 
robo- a building permit for a larger structure will be a small part of the overall project cost. Why not build bigger if you can? Sounds like you'd be infinitely happier with a space that truly meets your needs. (I've met countless permit-grumpy homeowners who, in the end, were thrilled with their final project that really did meet their dreams and expectations. Especially when I helped keep them out of trouble with their construction "techniques".)

I'd go as big as your town zoning ordinances would allow for. The permit is a small, one time cost and in the end the building will serve your needs. Worries over property tax increases? Those always catch up with you anyway, but I'd bet unfinished utility/storage space is taxed at a much lower rates than your primary living structure. Live large, build large!
 
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I would consider a nice, heavy steel open shelf rack system like this one. Skip anything plastic or light gauge metal that is made from flexible pieces.
Check if you can buy extra shelves for it (maybe just one or two extra) to prevent too much piling of wood on any given shelf, makes for easier access. And with the wire shelf design of this, it allows for air circulation around future wood that may be freshly harvested. Or, put a layer of 1/4" plywood over the wire for a solid shelf.
 
For indoor storage I use these
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B014097LXA?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
Plenty strong enough and allows good air circulation.

For green wood and larger chunks I built shelves on the side of my tool shed out of 2x4 with a lean to roof and plywood ends. The long side is closed with plastic tarps. I framed out the shelves with the 2x and used hog fencing from tractor supply to fill in the opening.
 
I make my out out of pine, very simple 300mm or 12"wide, each shelf is two rails for the blanks to sit on rails are screwed in place, legs glued and screwed. The idea being I can knock it down to move it around or into another location. I generally use non structural lumber as its half the price and does the job
 

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I am building a new turning studio. I acquired 600 pounds of dried exotic and local hardwoods most of which are no bigger that 10x10x3. Really nice stuff, Purple Heart, Cocobola, Redwood Burl, Tulip wood, Paduk, Bloodwood, Pink Ivory, etc. But there are also, numerous small 2x2s, pen blanks and other pieces and shorts. ..

... Next, I'm trying to make this an attractive work space, I would love to see your solutions for storing your small and often exotic wood stock in an attractive manner. I also have concerns about light exposure and cracks to these exotics, should I be concerned? Would I be better off having at least the exotics in a closed cabinet? Yes, cracks can be filled, I just want to protect my investment.

Hey Todd.

I store a lot of wood in my shop, lots of large and small domestics I cut from green and dry wood, and a bunch of exotics of various sizes. Be aware that many exotics are not dry and for several reasons it's difficult to judge the moisture content from a meter. Most exotics come coated in wax but that may mean nothing. One wood dealer I know dips most wood in hot paraffin since it may not be dry and regardless, it might make it look better - can't assume any wood is wet or dry unless you cut and dry it yourself. I did use the oven dry test to check a big batch of ebony - it's a destructive method that needs a small piece cut from the wood but it's the gold standard for determining MC.

I put nothing in closed spaces. It's been years since I've seen a crack on an exotic blank.

I'm not so sure the temperature makes as much difference as the humidity. There are tables of the relationship. My shop has heat and air - I set the thermostat to about 60 or so in the winter and maybe around 78 the summer (saves on energy costs and still feels comfortable to me) The humidity stays reasonably constant.

Processing green wood and drying.
When processing log sections into blanks, I apply anchor seal to all end grain, and in certain cases (too much to describe here) I seal one or more side faces. In over 15 years of doing this I've lost almost none from checking or cracking, even for quite large blanks (10x10x16"). I have a video here in the Tutorials and Tips sub-forum which describes some of this.

One thing about anchor seal - to me it's too thin for effective use with green wood. I pour a little into a coffee can and leave the lid off for several days. This allows some of the moisture to evaporate and makes the anchor seal thicker - it goes on thicker and protects better. (Since it's made of wax emulsified with water it's adding a second coat later doesn't work so well.) I apply the sealer with a cheap brush I keep in the can.

Pictures of some smaller blanks drying.
Wood_Comp_B.jpg
On the right is a stack of green wood fresh from a bandsaw session.
I cut logs up into the largest pieces I can get then cut small blanks from what's left over.


Monitoring moisture content
To monitor the state of dryness I put a piece of tape on a typical blank or two in the batch, weigh those pieces with a sensitive scale, and record the date (month/year) and the weight in grams. Ever few months I make a circuit around the storage areas, weigh again and again record the weight and current date. If the wood is not completely dry, the weight will drop some (assuming the humidity in the storage area hasn't gone crazy). When the weight quits dropping over several periods (or if it has gone up a ttiny bit, indicating some seasonal change) I pronounce the wood dry and write so on the label. I don't monitor every piece but just a few typical ones about the same size/thickness as others, If I have various sizes, I assume that when the larger pieces are dry, the smaller sizes are also dry.

Some big pieces take years to dry. Can't get in a big hurry. It's more fun than watching paint dry.

Monitoring drying by weighing, both domestic and exotics.
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This monitoring method has served me well for many years, both with exotics and blanks I cut from domestic green log sections. Having the dry wood is important to me since the things I like to turn the most are best made from dry wood.


Storing wood, wet and dry.
I store several ways. For some domestic species I've cut from green wood, I'll store the smaller pieces loosely in plastic tubs. They get enough air circulation and dry quickly. I always store large blanks (sizes say from 4x4" up to 10x10") and most other blanks on wire shelf units 6' tall, 4' wide, and 18" deep. My shop ceilings are 10' so there is plenty of space on the top of each one. I think I have at least a dozen of these shelf units and they are mostly full. I store big stuff like planks and slabs leaning up against walls.

Sorry, the idea of the "attractive work space" is foreign to me! Not on my radar. 😅

(I should point out that I don't surround the lathes and other working areas with wood.) When I built my shop I designated areas for wood storage and a large area in separate room. I also store wood in several out-buildings and an enclosed trailer on the farm. Maybe I might have too much wood... Nah. I did an inventory once and had over 120 species - a friend laughed at me and said his count was over 300. I never knew it was a contest! (He keeps spreadsheets with every piece, size, date, cost, place of purchase. Yikes)

I stand most large blanks on end on a wire shelf. If space is tight, I might lay put large pieces in layers separated by some smaller square blanks as "stickers" for free air circulation. I never put a blank that is not completely dry directly in contact with other wood without separators.

After wood is dry, I either stack it tighter or dump into tubs and store them on the floor. I use a lot of tubs. Again, about an attractive work space - I think wood is beautiful regardless of how it's stored.

For long dry blanks, say 2x2s longer than 15" or so, I put them on the upper shelves of the racks and put a sticker on the end with two things: the species name and the length. That way I can look at the shelf and if I need, say, a piece of dogwood 18" long I won't waste time pulling out shorter pieces!

I store shorts in smaller tubs on shelves.

Pictures of misc wood storage, organized by my secret code.
There is always plenty to give to friends and students.
When I kick the bucket some day, imagine the bonfire this would make.

Wood_Comp_A.jpg

This area is mostly exotics, some drying, some dry.
Tubs on floor are mostly dry domestic wood, waiting to be adopted.

Wood_Comp_C.jpg

I'm not so sure the temperature makes as much difference as the humidity. There are tables of the relationship. My shop has heat and air - I set the thermostat to about 60 or so in the winter and maybe around 78 the summer (saves on energy costs and still feels comfortable to me) The humidity stays reasonably constant.

Sorry, in addition to having a serious wood problem, I'm a certified photo maniac and ought to be locked away.

JKJ
 
robo- a building permit for a larger structure will be a small part of the overall project cost. Why not build bigger if you can? Sounds like you'd be infinitely happier with a space that truly meets your needs. (I've met countless permit-grumpy homeowners who, in the end, were thrilled with their final project that really did meet their dreams and expectations. Especially when I helped keep them out of trouble with their construction "techniques".)

I'd go as big as your town zoning ordinances would allow for. The permit is a small, one time cost and in the end the building will serve your needs. Worries over property tax increases? Those always catch up with you anyway, but I'd bet unfinished utility/storage space is taxed at a much lower rates than your primary living structure. Live large, build large!
I can't speak for Robo, but the permit also adds the cost of building to codes which are sometimes costly and unnecessary. and then will involve inspections-all of which add to the costs.
 
As others have said “you can’t have enough storage for wood” and I keep finding new nooks to stuff some scraps in. I do a lot of laminated turnings and so have more than my share of boards. I’ve recently started to be a “little” better at throwing away small stuff even though still useable, because you always generate more. While I have nothing nice looking for storage, I will risk some pictures of my mess -
 

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I can't speak for Robo, but the permit also adds the cost of building to codes which are sometimes costly and unnecessary. and then will involve inspections-all of which add to the costs.
Well, this isn't a website to discuss building code issues, but speaking as a building inspector, I'll offer that we'll have to agree to disagree. But if you have a particular building code issue that you've thought was unnecessary, please feel free to send me a private message. I won't try to convince you of anything, but maybe I can offer some perspective on an issue. My attitude of dealing with the code (and actually what a majority of my job ends up being) is to help achieve knowledge and understanding about the minimum requirements to keeping buildings not only structurally sound, but safe for the occupants. That is the intent and purpose of the codes. (As I said elsewhere recently, a good inspector will teach to the code before enforcing to the code.)

Don't forget to look at homeowner's policies for disaster coverage for things that weren't built to code. I've seen owners left high and dry with no coverage. Could be even worse if someone gets hurt because of it.
 
Well, this isn't a website to discuss building code issues, but speaking as a building inspector, I'll offer that we'll have to agree to disagree. But if you have a particular building code issue that you've thought was unnecessary, please feel free to send me a private message. I won't try to convince you of anything, but maybe I can offer some perspective on an issue. My attitude of dealing with the code (and actually what a majority of my job ends up being) is to help achieve knowledge and understanding about the minimum requirements to keeping buildings not only structurally sound, but safe for the occupants. That is the intent and purpose of the codes. (As I said elsewhere recently, a good inspector will teach to the code before enforcing to the code.)

Don't forget to look at homeowner's policies for disaster coverage for things that weren't built to code. I've seen owners left high and dry with no coverage. Could be even worse if someone gets hurt because of it.
We will agree to disagree. Have a great year and God bless.
 
I have too much wood said no turner ever! I am contemplating building a 200 sq. ft. wood storage building. This is the maximum size I can build without a permit. I do not think it will be enough.

Well, can you build five little 200 sq.ft. buildings in a row? 😄

Are you allowed to put a shipping container on that property? I found an aluminum container 8'x8'x40' for just $1500 and set it up for hay storage. The county codes enforcement officer said the only restriction in this area was it needed to be at least 30' from the county road.
However, he said if I could park a semi trailer right next to the road, IF it was road-ready, had a valid license plate, and insurance!

I assume some areas don't permit the containers. And they're ugly!

Here's the container I set up, been using it for hay for almost 15 years.
Set it on PT 6x6s on gravel, put air vents down the sides and rotating roof vents for air circulation.
Using forks on the tractor I can carry pallets stacked with hay inside to the back of the container to unload.
building_hay.jpg
I also stored a over a hundred rough-turned bowls for the turning club and they were fine.

JKJ
 
I am building a new turning studio. I acquired 600 pounds of dried exotic and local hardwoods most of which are no bigger that 10x10x3. Really nice stuff, Purple Heart, Cocobola, Redwood Burl, Tulip wood, Paduk, Bloodwood, Pink Ivory, etc. But there are also, numerous small 2x2s, pen blanks and other pieces and shorts. One question I have is, if I set the electric heater for my space to 50 degrees, would this be enough temperature stability (PS, I live in a dry part of the country, Denver). So temperature would swing from say 50 to 100 degrees. Is this OK? End grain is sealed on these pieces of stock.
Next, I'm trying to make this an attractive work space, I would love to see your solutions for storing your small and often exotic wood stock in an attractive manner. I also have concerns about light exposure and cracks to these exotics, should I be concerned? Would I be better off having at least the exotics in a closed cabinet? Yes, cracks can be filled, I just want to protect my investment.
Congrats on the new studio! Good insulation and drywall should take care of most concerns, methinks. I'm not sure temperature matters as much as humidity. I live in the Great Northwest, so the pellet stove runs a good deal of the time in the rainy season, keeping the humidity in the 40-45% range. Not so fortunate as you to have big quantities of exotics, but I do have a professional turner friend who has one or two entire containers worth, collected over the decades. I'll be seeing him this weekend and will run your question by just for fun.

No opnion on "attractive manner" -- that's just not a consideration. Main thing is to be able to identify and get to what's needed. Nobody who's ever visited has turned their nose up because the wood stash wasn't "stored pretty." 😀😀😀 All the dry stuff is in the shop stacked on "metro shelving" units. There's a new Shelter Logic 10'x10' outside for the wet bowl blanks, and pallets in the woods for logs.
 
I have considered having 2 buildings built. I will most likely go for the one first, and then see if I need another. The biggest problems are the dimensional lumber since I do some flat work. That really takes up some room, and I have to have it stacked and available to sort through. If I was to move all of my wood out of my shop, I would probably need 600 sq. ft. at least.... Well, unless I find some more wood I just can't live without.... I am aware of building codes. I did residential concrete work for 30 years. They can be funny some times about what they allow and/or don't allow. Worst one for me is the requirement for "rain gardens". We are not allowed to drain from the house gutters directly to the street, and instead have to put in a "rock burrito" as the excavator called it. A drainage pit. While every thing that comes off of the roads, like oil products and tire dust, should be filtered, what comes off of the house does not have that need. They think that because you drain into some kind of pit, that makes it a "wetland" and you have to add a lot of plants into this "wetland" area which die off after a year or two because it is not a real wet land where the roots of these plants are wet all year long. They do not survive our dry summers..... ARGH!!!

robo hippy
 
Your example is more likely a zoning ordinance, possibly civil engineering, more than building code. Quite common across the country in current times. The overall concept is to keep site water on the site to soak into the ground to the water table. Water tables in just about any metro area are lower than natural due to paved surfaces and construction, that water being collected and brought to rivers or reservoirs instead of natural ground penetration. New developments typically also use neighborhood storm water ponds that street storm sewers run to, popular in our area (Mississippi River basin) to keep excess water out of the river for flood and sediment control. If the pond gets too full, they pipe out into the street storm sewer system, to the rivers. In the past decade in my area of MN, storm ponds that were full year round, for decades, are now dry by late summer. They aren't sending water to the river most times now.

Rain gardens- that's feel good balogna most of the time, to make us feel good about it, like watching too much HGTV. After a few years they are just low spots full of invasive weeds.
 
I am building a new turning studio. I acquired 600 pounds of dried exotic and local hardwoods most of which are no bigger that 10x10x3. Really nice stuff, Purple Heart, Cocobola, Redwood Burl, Tulip wood, Paduk, Bloodwood, Pink Ivory, etc. But there are also, numerous small 2x2s, pen blanks and other pieces and shorts. One question I have is, if I set the electric heater for my space to 50 degrees, would this be enough temperature stability (PS, I live in a dry part of the country, Denver). So temperature would swing from say 50 to 100 degrees. Is this OK? End grain is sealed on these pieces of stock.
Next, I'm trying to make this an attractive work space, I would love to see your solutions for storing your small and often exotic wood stock in an attractive manner. I also have concerns about light exposure and cracks to these exotics, should I be concerned? Would I be better off having at least the exotics in a closed cabinet? Yes, cracks can be filled, I just want to protect my investment.
I built myself a shed and it has made all of the difference in room in my garage. Designed after Scandinavian homes. The Swedish flag section is a removable piece so that I can easily store and remove longs slabs.
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