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Which to choose: Delta of Jet

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I am fairly new to turning and I like trying to turn a variety of pieces spindle work and bowls, etc. This first year of my wood turning has beern on a Shopsmith and an old Craftsman lathes. I now have the opportunity this weekend to purshcase a Delta 1642 that is less than 2yrs old in excellent condition for $1,000. But locally, I can buy a new Jet 1642 for $1,600. I really don't know the differences/advantages or disadvantages other than Delta's 2hp vs Jet's1.5hp motor. I would apprecate you comments and suggestions regarding my next step up in lathes. Thanks for your sharing

Pat Harris
Lexington, SC
Palmetto Woodturners Chapter
 
what are the spindle sizes? for each lathe

what are the lowest speeds for each lathe?? highest???

is one electronic varible speed, is one reeves drive???

can the lathes be turned in forward and reverse???
 
Thanks Charlie for your reply questions. I need to get the spec sheets on each and I am hopeful that some of the turners on this list will know the answers to most of your questions that I need to considerin making a decission. I know both are varible speed and the horse power of each. I have never turned on either lathe before, but know both lathes are popular for the beginner to intermediate level turners
Pat
 
I also started out on a Shopsmith......If I hadn't had it, I might not be turning at all these days! It was a great way to get acquainted with the woodturning craft.

I have no experience with either of the lathes you mention, but both seem to be very similar. Knowing what I know now, my advice would be to get the cheaper Delta......because if your interests grow to a higher level of skill, sooner or later you'll probably sell whatever you get and upgrade again, later on.

Looks like both have 1 1/4x8tpi spindles and #2 morse tapers on both head and tail stocks......this is very good, because whatever accessories you purchase can likely be used with a later purchased lathe. That will save you lots of money, when the inevitable happens!

The difference between 2hp and 1 1/2hp isn't something that will be a great consideration for most turning, but will be under limited circumstances like taking very deep cuts with your gouge. I wouldn't let that, alone, be a determining factor in your decision. The 2hp is probably a 220v.

I hope someone else comes along that had direct hands on experience with these two lathes, but if not, maybe I've given you just a little to think about.

otis of cologne
 
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Thanks Odie, rmembering about common spindle and arbor sizes for attachements will be a must. I've learned that in buying for the Shopsmith and the old Craftsman. Of course they are as different as day is to night. I also read below my posting the thread about "Advice need on lathe" and picked up some good thoughts that can be applied to my situation as well.
Pat
 
Get the Jet. I was all enthused about getting the Delta until I had the opportunity to thoroughly check one out and then was extremely disappointed in it. I did not like the method that the steel ways were attached to the bed which allowed excessive flexing. I also did not like the motor (IIRCm it was a Marathon ODP design) and believe that it is being operated way outside of its design envelope, especially in speed. The tailstock locking mechanism also was very cheap and made it to hard to slide the tailstock without it grabbing.

I had already committed to purchasing the machine, but the store was nice enough to give me a refund without any quibbling.

what are the spindle sizes? for each lathe
what are the lowest speeds for each lathe?? highest???
is one electronic varible speed, is one reeves drive???
can the lathes be turned in forward and reverse???

All of these questions are fairly well answered given that the models were specified. 😉
 
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Pat the Jet is a better choice,one because it is new and you get a warranty,an two the Jet is better made than the Delta. The stand is one thing it is steel and the Jet is all cast iron.
Just my 2 cents
 
The two machines are pretty comparable as far as features and function. I have the Delta 2hp 1642 and I got it second hand but unused for a similar price. I have no regrets whatsoever. The variable speed is smooth and does just what it should. The controller is made by Baldor and is excellent. If they were the same price I probably would have chosen the Jet for no reason other than that there are many happy Jet owners that I know whereas the Delta has never seemed as popular. If you can save $600 I'd go Delta 2hp is nice and it is a very nice machine.
 
The first thing I would do is check with Delta and see if parts are available for the lathe you are considering(...:mad:...). Then call jet and ask about parts. That experience alone may be enough to help you make your decision.

If you don't want to make a call, see if you can find the manual and / or a parts list on the delta website. Good Luck. Here's some links to get you started.

Jet Lathes

Delta Lathes

Several of the turners I know have the Jet 1642. They are extremely happy with the lathe. The only people I know with delta lathes that are happy are the ones with lathes that are many years old. I have old delta woodworking equipment that I really love, but Delta is not the company it used to be. Today, I would never recommend delta power tools to anybody.

It's tempting to save a few bucks up front, but in my opinion, you will be a lot happier for a lot longer with the Jet.

Ed
 
Ed is completely correct on all points. I would not recommend the Delta, particularly if you are considering the Jet 1642 for a bit more cash. I have a Jet 1642 2 HP/220V which I bought new very shortly after they released it onto the market a few years ago. You will not regret spending the extra money it might take to bring this one home. The Jet 1642's sliding headstock, heavy frame, and smooth operation are all worth its price.....Even the tailstock and banjo adjustment levers, etc. are more 'solid' on the Jet. Parts availability and customer support at the WMH Tool Group (for both Jet and Powermatic) are pretty good in my experience - I've only had to place two small parts orders when I owned a Jet 1236 (a blue version from "long ago") before I got the 1642. (BTW - My old 1236 is still going strong with its third owner, 16+ years after I first bought it!)

My lathe number 2 is a Jet Mini which I use all the time for demos, small items, etc., and my number three lathe is a Delta Midi (LA-200) which I got as a good deal (brand new, in the box, still wrapped, cosmolene, etc. for $ 125). The general quality of the Delta is considerably less than the Jet; I only use the Delta when lathes 1 and 2 are tied up with projects. Wish I had 2 Jet Mini's, but I couldn't beat the deal I got on the new Delta.

Much good advice above.... ----> Mine: "Buy the Jet, with no regret...."

Rob Wallace
 
Well, so far opinions seem to be pretty evenly split 😉
  1. Get the Jet
  2. Don't get the Delta

Ha! 🙂

Well.....it seems as though my thinking isn't main stream here! This is ok.....we all have our opinions. Mine is based on the premises that eventually you'll find yourself looking at lathes in a higher price range than these two you are now considering. Spend less now, because you'll find yourself upgrading later.

If this purchase will be with the thought that this will be your lathe permanently, you may not want to take my advice on this. I suspect there may be one or two of the responders who have used these lathes before, so their opinions should probably be held at a greater value than mine are......that is, from a user's perspective.

If you have an opportunity to use, or see one of these lathes......be sure to use your eyes, and the sense of usefulness you have between your ears. Since you already have some basic knowledge of woodturning, you are already beyond the very basic questions someone who only wishes to turn has.......use that, too!

I'll tell you one thing, I strongly believe a common misconception for many woodturners......the importance some place on the weight of the stand, or legs. Even though ALL weight has a general effect of dampening vibrations, the most important weight is that contained in the lathe itself. Beefiness in the headstock, tailstock, bedways, and spindle are your most important concerns.....and, this is magnified with very heavy, or out of balance workpieces. With the legs (or stand), the most important consideration is rigidity. If the mount isn't solid, all the weight in the world isn't going to prevent the inevitable flexing. I also highly recommend bolting your lathe to a concrete slab.

Another thing to contemplate is the swing of the lathe. I bought my 16" swing (8", for you purists!) Woodfast nearly twenty years ago......and, at that time, it was considered close to the top for quality lathes in it's price range. If I were in the market for a lathe these days, I'd probably think about the Vicmarc. Many lathes now have 20" to 24" swing. This ability is nice to have, but very few of us ever find suitable chunks of wood that big......and, when it does happen, it's a pretty rare event! I thought very seriously of upgrading to a larger lathe once, but I kept asking myself, "what for?". For me, that was a question that was best answered with facts, rather than "pipe dreams"! Although I've done a lot of it in the past, continually throwing money at this past-time isn't my idea of money well spent......getting my hands dirty, and burning some "midnight oil" IS!

As with all free advice.....it's worth exactly what you pay for it!

otis of cologne
 
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...... Although I've done a lot of it in the past, continually throwing money at this past-time isn't my idea of money well spent.....

What?? You mean that I have gotten it all wrong. 😀

The tool makers and lathe manufacturers think that throwing money their way is a great idea. 😉

I actually have a Delta 1440 and I don't feel a need a lathe with greater swing. However, the Delta lathes in the last few years have very severely compromised quality and the Reeves drive on my lathe is a maintenance headache.
 
I have had a Jet 1014 since 2003 and have had no problems whatsoever. I don't see how you can go wrong in following the majority in saying the Jet is the superior machine.
 
What?? You mean that I have gotten it all wrong. 😀

The tool makers and lathe manufacturers think that throwing money their way is a great idea. 😉

I actually have a Delta 1440 and I don't feel a need a lathe with greater swing. However, the Delta lathes in the last few years have very severely compromised quality and the Reeves drive on my lathe is a maintenance headache.

Heh,heh,heh.......yeah, you and I both probably have a small fortune invested in tools and gadgets that looked like they would be the greatest thing since sliced bread......but, ended up just taking up space in the shop.

Mastering the basics, and not bothering with all those catalogue wonderwares......now, there is a concept! 😀

otis of cologne
 
I have turned several times on both, the Jet 1642 and a friend's Delta 1642EVS. Both are good machines, but I prefer the Delta design to the Jet's and the controller/motor is a very smooth unit.
However, my friend has had more than his fair share of downtime - waiting on Tech Support to return calls, etc. Finally, he wrote a scathing letter to the CEO of Delta, and quickly received more than enough replacement parts to make his complete. Since then it has proven a very good machine
So, while I really like his lathe, I do not recommend it because Delta has a hit-or-miss reputation for quality and a less-than-mediocre reputation for Customer Service.
If the guy you are buying it from has used it a fair amount without problems, it may be a pretty good deal at $1000. You might offer $800 and see where that gets you.
IIRC, Rockler sold a bunch of these for around $1100 about 2 years ago. That may be where he got his. Do you know why he is getting rid of his? The Delta 1642 (or the Jet) is a nice enough machine that people don't casually upgrade from them.
 
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My experience with Delta's Customer Service is that it has always been outstanding. The flip side of that story, however, is that we were almost on a first name basis because of the number of times that I needed repair parts for my lathe. They even told me that if I decided anytime within the two year warranty period that I did not want the lathe that they would take it back and give me a full refund -- no questions asked.

There were a couple times when I called to get some warranty replacement parts and they even suggested some other parts that I should go ahead and get. One time I told them that I had spilled some MEK on the lathe and messed up the metal decals so I needed to purchase replacements for those. The person that I spoke with said that since I have been having so many issues with a couple of the lathe parts and had to wait on a slow boat from China a couple times to get replacements that they would give me the replacement decals plus paint without charge.

A big part of their QC problems were related to moving the manufacturing to China, just as it has been with so many other manufacturers.
 
I think most of my friend's customer service problems relate to the Black & Decker/DeWalt take over.
When my friends lathe quit working, their first plan was to box it up & ship it back and they'd send a new one! That works pretty fine for a cordless drill kit.
 
I think most of my friend's customer service problems relate to the Black & Decker/DeWalt take over.
When my friends lathe quit working, their first plan was to box it up & ship it back and they'd send a new one! That works pretty fine for a cordless drill kit.

Delta's slide in quality started before the B&D takeover. I doubt it will improve under B&D either.🙁
 
Decison Made for Jet

Thanks for all the meaningful information regarding the comparsion of the Delta and the Jet 1642's. I most apprecative that each of you chose to post helpful comments. Thanks to All.
Pat Harris
 
Pat,
You might want to make the move soon. You should give these guys a try. They always have the best prices around and ship right to the house. They definately carry Jet, Powermatic, and Delta.
Use the 800 number instead of the web site for best results.
http://www.toolnut.com/

Good luck.
 
Better late than never. I'm a 1642 user and have been for several years. It is simply an excellent general lathe. To get anything significantly better you will be looking at spending close to 5K. I'm sure the Delta would be just as good, but my experience with Jet has been very satisfactory (I own two).

Marc
 
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I haven't noted anyone mentioning the issues of voltage and bed length. I can't speak to the Delta, I've seen it but never used it. I do have the Jet 1642-2 EVS. It's the 220v version of the lathe and has served me well. You have the choice of either 110v or 220v versoins, but the 220v is 2 hp while the 110v is only 1.5 hp. Obviously you need the power available for which ever one you select.

There are 2 different bed extensions available for the Jet, One comparable to the existing bed along with a shorter 20". I've also seen mods to use the shorter one low on the legs similar to the PM 3520B mount method along with another to use the Vicmarc external arm on a Jet 1642. Both were very creative and useful in specific situations.

Paul
 
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