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weight of lathe

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So in my design of my lathe i am looking at the weight factor and was wondering how much does a lathe weight? My swing is going to be 8" and probably will not be doing to much big work but in the case that i will be i want my lathe heavy and sturdy. Right now I have the design at about 650 lbs, is that good? Thanks for any help.
 
He is probably just measuring from the bed to the center without doubling.

JimQ
 
However you are measuring, whether 8" is the distance from the ways to the spindle or the total swing of the lathe, 650 lbs is a lot of weight. My Poolewood, which swings 20" inboard, weighs 700 lbs, and my Vega bowl lathe which swings 26" weighs 550 lbs.

Geometry can be more important than weight though, and since you are building your own, you might want to consider an A frame stand if you are not already planning that. It will add a tremendous amount of stability to your lathe, and make it easier to turn out of balance pieces.

Bill
 
Fix it to the floor, and it has the entire earth as its weight. It's not weight that's the problem. What you want is rigidity in construction. Whether you do it by large-section cast iron, fully-braced sheet metal, or even plywood is not as important as constructing it so it cannot distort in the load direction.

If you're not going to bolt it to terra firma, make sure the base extends ~50% beyond the swing perpendicular to the bed. Only needs the ends extended, not the entire, so you can make trestle type or, my preference, trapezoidal sheet-reinforced ends. This resists a good part of the off-center load by transfer. You can also weight the stand, keeping it where it does the most good - where it's widest. No sense making something with a high center of gravity even more unstable by putting weight up high.

All things considered, the best thing to do is to rotate pieces you mount freely, reduce the differences in weight by removing stock you'll have to remove anyway, so you don't have a huge imbalance. Don't neglect the possibility of boring some holes out of what will become the inside, or, if your creative vision demands something hugely imbalanced, boring out on the low weight side, weighting and re-plugging with some hot glue or washers captured by a lag. The better balance you begin with, the better your lathe will behave, and the easier it will be on the weakest point of the entire system, which might be your bearings.
 
Great tips

Thank you very much for the tips and ideas about weight. I will have to redo the design of the base a little so that it is supports the headstock more. I think i will stick with my overall weight, bigger is better.
 
Research

I looked at the Poolewood website and noticed that there lathe really doesnt have a base that goes perpendicualr to the headstock. My design has basically outrigers from the headstock, and from a birds eye view would look like an enourmous letter " I " so i wonder if my design will be ok. I also just realized i missed reading a thread on here and would agree with the post that says to make items into a rounder form before turning. That would help alot.
 
northwoodsice said:
I looked at the Poolewood website and noticed that there lathe really doesnt have a base that goes perpendicualr to the headstock. My design has basically outrigers from the headstock, and from a birds eye view would look like an enourmous letter " I " so i wonder if my design will be ok. I also just realized i missed reading a thread on here and would agree with the post that says to make items into a rounder form before turning. That would help alot.

I don't know that you would get a lot of good info off the Poolewood site right about now. Their latest lathe is something that looks like it was made of spare parts and without a thought to aesthetics. I have no idea how stable it is, but I do know of a dealer in England who refuses to sell them anymore.

There is nothing wrong with your design as long as you do not find yourself tripping over the outriggers on the lathe stand as you move about working. I would not bolt the lathe to the ground under any circumstances, but what do I know? 😉

If you click here you can see a picture of my lathe on end and get an idea of how the stand is built. you can also see how (and how often) I clean up. 😀
 
THanks for the tips Bill, I think my design is a little over kill but then again this whole design is only costing me about $100 in wood and then some time. Oh i havent even said this yet but the lathe will be human powered 🙂 . SO I think that i will be able to turn just about any thing i want with this design. THe bed will be about 6' long and have a swing of 10" (i uprgraded). Once i get some better drawings done I will post them here, hopefully this week.
 
Hey Bill, looks like you are in a perfect position to use a leaf blower to clean out the shop.😉 Or do you save it up and take it to the fair every year to cover the floor in the beer tents?😀

JimQ
 
Bill Grumbine said:
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If you click here you can see a picture of my lathe on end and get an idea of how the stand is built. you can also see how (and how often) I clean up. 😀
Probably once every hour! 😛
When I see the pile of bowls on your lathe (fantastic design of the support and I do understand why you lathe is so stable, congratulation) no wonder you have some shaving undeneith... 😉
 
Bill Grumbine said:
If you click here you can see a picture of my lathe on end and get an idea of how the stand is built. you can also see how (and how often) I clean up. 😀
Bill,

What is that winnowing fan for that you have leaning against the green oxcart? We don't have that sort of implement in this part of the country.

I have used a Velocipede Model 3 human-powered lathe and I suspect that its weight is in the vicinity of 100 pounds, not including the motor. Being human-powered, stability is intrinsically not an issue as the motor will automatically adjust the speed to avoid any structural resonances. Also, if the turner gets conked with something flying off the lathe, there is a built-in safety feature that automatically shuts the machine down. I did encounter a runaway speed condition while turning a 7 mm pen which caused the screws holding the seat in position to vibrate loose and led to me taking a spill at the lathe. Fortunately, again the motor automatically shut itself down. Safety features such as these can't be found on modern machines. I must admit, however, that I have never taken a spill at any of my electric motor-powered machines.

Bill Boehme
 
boehme said:
Bill,

What is that winnowing fan for that you have leaning against the green oxcart? We don't have that sort of implement in this part of the country...
I did encounter a runaway speed condition while turning a 7 mm pen which caused the screws holding the seat in position to vibrate loose and led to me taking a spill at the lathe. Fortunately, again the motor automatically shut itself down.

Bill Boehme

Bill, I'm surprised you don't recognize it! It is sold in turning supply stores all over the northern part of the country for cleaning up shavings. Some of us have found that it works well for the occasional snow storm as well. 😀

As far as taking a fall at the lathe, I guess the pen is mightier than the sword! 😱

Bill
 
Claude and Jim

I am pretty sure it was Rude Osolnik who said that when you had to get down on your knees to get to the lathe, it was time to clean out the shop! 😛 Jim, I don't have a leaf blower, and my rake sits unused, since the wind around here blows all the leaves out into my field and then onto my neighbor's expensive manicured lawn. But you should see what 120psi from the air compressor will do with the small stuff and dust!

Bill
 
Bill Grumbine said:
. . . . . . . . I am pretty sure it was Rude Osolnik who said that when you had to get down on your knees to get to the lathe, it was time to clean out the shop!
Oops!! Then I am in trouble because I have my Jet mini lathe on the floor of my shop and that is the way that I normally use it -- on my knees. Going by the "Rule of Rude" for Shop Cleaning, I would need to clean the shop every time that I used the mini lathe. Hopefully, it is, as pirate Capt. Jack Sparrow said, "not really a rule, but more like a guideline". Or, perhaps, it is just a theory, in which case, I can ignore it altogether.

But, hypothetically, if I do decide to clean my shop, I suppose that I would have to go up to the frozen Nawth to get one of those shavings scoops.

Reexamining the picture of your Poolewood, I was amazed at the number of bowls that you have stacked up on the headstock. I seem to recall that there is not a flat spot on top of the headstock, is there? Maybe you could submit this to the Guinness Book of Records for a new category.

Bill
 
here is a page out of one of my sites.
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=3312409&uid=1718813

just in case it is of interest to anyone, there are pictures that can be clicked on on the left side near the top to show how i added weight to my lathe with sand but in a little neater fashion than sand bagging.
the extra weight made a tremendous difference in the operation when turning some 13.5 inch bowls.
i think i will eventually build a cabinet with drawers etc on top of that to house tools and accessories.
w. y.
 
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