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Vicmarc Chuck Trouble - Help

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The insert in a Vicmarc VM 90 chuck refuses to unscrew. Looking at the back of the chuck the insert unscrews by turning it counter clockwise. I have tried removing the insert with tommy bars both on and off the lathe. Also tried heating the chuck in the oven- 170 degrees for 15 minutes - with no luck. The insert does not have a set screw.

Any ideas
 
Mort They can be really stubborn. They remove CCW and you just have to apply a lot of force. The best tool would be one of those wrenches that are curved and have a pin sticking out one side like the ones that come with some Tommy bar chucks. I don't know where you would get one of those but I've thought about making one myself. I change the inserts a lot when I travel and sometimes they really stick. If you use air tool oil on the threads and mating surfaces it will stop this, at least most of the time.
 
john lucas said:
The best tool would be one of those wrenches that are curved and have a pin sticking out one side like the ones that come with some Tommy bar chucks. I don't know where you would get one of those but I've thought about making one myself.

Called a "spanner", I believe. McMaster-Carr carries them. go to

http://www.mcmaster.com/

Put "spanner" in the search box and click on wrenches in the results.

m
 
Often, when brute force fails, a bolt of lightening will do the trick. I'm saying, speed over power--a quick, sharp, rap on the tommy bar inserted into the thread adapter may win over slow, powerful force. It may take dozens of such raps before you get results. If you are at all familiar with an impact wrench that pro mechanics use, they rely on the same principle.
If that doesn't work, then leverage combined with brute force is the answer. All along, I've assumed that the insert has a hole in it for a tommy bar--my old Vicmarc does, but I'm not sure of the newer ones. I think you're best off with the chuck mounted on the lathe, with a rod in that hole that's long enough to brace against the lathe bed and hopefully not do any cosmetic damage to the bed. Duct tape it to the chuck to keep it in place while you're wrenching on the chuck.
Then, take a 1 1/2"-2" square stick of hardwood, at least 18" long, and use that as the other lever between the chuck jaws, perhaps clamping the jaws down hard on the end of the stick. You risk damaging the chuck if not too careful, but using a wood lever instead of a steel one offers a reasonable safety factor.
Good luck. Remember, it's mind over matter--that thing's gotta come out one way or another!
 
Thanks, a weak mind over a strong matter sort of a thing Huh 🙂 I do agree that I got the 1 X 8 insert on the darn thing and it WILL come off. 😛
 
Try really soaking it down with penetrating oil (not WD40) and let it sit for about 24 hours. Sometimes a little rust, finish, glue etc will get deep and need cut out. If that chuck has no plastic parts you could also put it in a container of mineral spirits over night to cut loose the problem.

Wilford
 
Mort said:
The insert in a Vicmarc VM 90 chuck refuses to unscrew. Looking at the back of the chuck the insert unscrews by turning it counter clockwise. I have tried removing the insert with tommy bars both on and off the lathe. Also tried heating the chuck in the oven- 170 degrees for 15 minutes - with no luck. The insert does not have a set screw.

Any ideas

Doesn't heat expand the metal? Try freezing it first. Just a thought.
 
Yeah, heat does expand the metal. I thought that I may have put beeswax on the threads of the insert in Florida at 85 degrees and that in Maine at 45 degrees the beeswax had hardened. On ocassion I have heated metal parts then snap hit them to break a joint. Hence the oven treament. I will try the mineral spirits soak as well as the freeze tips.
 
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After soaking, because there may be some old finish, rust or dirt in there to soften, grab a piece of wood between the pairs of jaws big enough to hold in your vise. Then approach your insert with a large Crescent wrench. First the mallet tap on the end of the insert and the handle of the wrench, then the brute torque method. With an insert, my money's on galling and burrs - metal to metal.
 
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