Something new from me...........

[Odie]

I have done this rim shape a few times now, and getting a little better at it......takes a little repetition in order to iron out the bugs in just how to approach doing it.......The first few times were pretty much a disaster!......

Curly maple burl bowl was completed on 3/12/16

Pre-cut bowl round was 9"x2 1/8", and had a MC of 12%.....I did rough it to a general shape, but it was determined that it required no seasoning. Finished size is 8 13/16"x2 1/16", and weighs 205 grams or 7.2 ounces. Is not quite thin enough to call a thin wall bowl....but, it's close! Sanded to 600g, Danish oil natural, Beall buffed, hard carnauba wax.

Your comments, criticism, etc....as always, is encouraged......and appreciated.....Thank you!

ko

 

[Gretch Flo]

Odie-I like the form, and of course the wood!!!.-a "keeper"
design, Gretch

 

[Ken Kimbrell]

Very nice Odie, I like it.

 

[John Torchick]

Very nice bowl, odie. The grain is outstanding, finish is great and I'm impressed with the grooves in the rim. How did you do them? Thanks for sharing.

 

[Jamie Straw]

I have done this rim shape a few times now, and getting a little better at it......takes a little repetition in order to iron out the bugs in just how to approach doing it.......The first few times were pretty much a disaster!......
[Snip]


ko

It is GORGEOUS, Odie! (oooo, sorry for the caps, just couldn't resist). That rim treatment doesn't look like beads, exactly. Are my eyes seeing it right?

 

[Odie]

Many thanks Gretch, Ken, and John........

John......The grooves are standard detail grooves done with a spear point scraper. The problems I had been having is keeping them uniform looking. I've learned to do the grooves on a prepared surface + one border first. Once it's all done and ready for finish, the second border can then be done to match the first border spacing. Trying to do both borders at the same time is problematic, because the evolution of the entire surface will change somewhat with sanding.

ko

 

[Odie]

It is GORGEOUS, Odie! (oooo, sorry for the caps, just couldn't resist). That rim treatment doesn't look like beads, exactly. Are my eyes seeing it right?

I see we were typing at the same time, Jamie......and, thank you!

Well, they are beads, depending on your definition of beads. As I stated above, they are grooves done with a spear point scraper.....but, not done like you'd think a bead would be done on spindle turning. During the process of fine sanding, the tiny grooves are slightly rounded over, giving the appearance of beads in the traditional sense.

That piece of wood was a lucky find! It never looked as good as it finally finished out, as it did when it was in block form. The burl is very minor in the overall bowl.......a very tiny bit of burl figuring, but I guess I can realistically call it "burl", as long as any of the bowl has any burl figure in it.....are my thoughts on it, anyway.

ko

 

[Jamie Straw]

I see we were typing at the same time, Jamie......and, thank you!

Well, they are beads, depending on your definition of beads. As I stated above, they are grooves done with a spear point scraper.....but, not done like you'd think a bead would be done on spindle turning. During the process of fine sanding, the tiny grooves are slightly rounded over, giving the appearance of beads in the traditional sense.

That piece of wood was a lucky find! It never looked as good as it finally finished out, as it did when it was in block form. The burl is very minor in the overall bowl.......a very tiny bit of burl figuring, but I guess I can realistically call it "burl", as long as any of the bowl has any burl figure in it.....are my thoughts on it, anyway.

ko

Thanks for the details, Odie. We could call them "greads" and perhaps Dave Schweitzer would make an Odie Greadingâ„¢ tool. (Better than a "Brooding Tool" )

 

[Odie]

Thanks for the details, Odie. We could call them "greads" and perhaps Dave Schweitzer would make an Odie Greadingâ„¢ tool. (Better than a "Brooding Tool" )

Ha,ha,ha! Yeah.....that would be great to have my very own "signature" tool!

ko

 

[Gretch Flo]

Odie-how do you sharpen the point?? I assume it is a trocar (3 sided) pointed tool I got with a chattering tool (which I haven't used yet) . I have used a few times.
Another thought is that I would call your wood tiger maple rather than curly (meaning more stripes per inch) realizing this is a can of worms-which you groove on , Odie!!!!!, Gretch

 

[Odie]

Odie-how do you sharpen the point?? I assume it is a trocar (3 sided) pointed tool I got with a chattering tool (which I haven't used yet) . I have used a few times.
Another thought is that I would call your wood tiger maple rather than curly (meaning more stripes per inch) realizing this is a can of worms-which you groove on , Odie!!!!!, Gretch

Good morning, Gretch.......

Well, you made me do a Google search to find "trocar", as I wasn't familiar with this term! Are you referring to the same sort of tool some people might call the "skewey-gouge"? I have never used this tool......should I?

No ma'am, I'm doing my grooves with a standard ordinary spear point scraper.....same one most everybody has in their tool assortment. I've tried to put a raised burr on it without success, because you just can't put any pressure against the very tip without bending it over.....and, this is the most important spot on a spear point scraper for doing cut grooves. I'm using a basic ground burr on mine, but (depending on the species, and individual piece of wood in question) this kind of burr has a very short life span......It has to be re-ground repeatedly to insure the cleanest cut possible. As always, the key to success in the appearance of the groove.....is preparation of the surface. It's important to have as close to geometric perfection, as possible.

Heh,heh,heh! You also made me laugh this morning, because of....."this is a can of worms-which you groove on"! Ha,ha....you have a way with words, Gretch! You know, I don't really intend to cause controversy......it just happens that many of my methods and beliefs are outside of the mainstream thought on wood turning. (I'll try to avoid using the term "herd think" here, but to my way of seeing it, that term really really fits like a glove!)

Have a good day, lady......

ko

 

[Gretch Flo]

Good morning, Gretch.......

Well, you made me do a Google search to find "trocar", as I wasn't familiar with this term! Are you referring to the same sort of tool some people might call the "skewey-gouge"? I have never used this tool......should I?


Have a good day, lady......

ko

Sorry-didn't realize "trocar" wasn't a normal vocabulary. Means 3 sided. -use very often to put in bones for fracture fixation. Aren't nails 3 sided at the tip???.. I hand sharpened mine on sander, and not very accurate.
years ago when I was teaching surgery labs, our pins are reused many times. I took some home and put in a chuck and marked the chuck in thirds. Then layed the point onto grinder using the mark for the thirds in the up position. Not sure if I have explained that. Can't remember how accurate they were, as it didn't matter. . The sharpened tip produces a cleaner cut in wood when sharpened (as most of our tools do). Gretch

 

[Bill Boehme]

Sorry-didn't realize "trocar" wasn't a normal vocabulary. Means 3 sided. -use very often to put in bones for fracture fixation. Aren't nails 3 sided at the tip???.. I hand sharpened mine on sander, and not very accurate.
years ago when I was teaching surgery labs, our pins are reused many times. I took some home and put in a chuck and marked the chuck in thirds. Then layed the point onto grinder using the mark for the thirds in the up position. Not sure if I have explained that. Can't remember how accurate they were, as it didn't matter. . The sharpened tip produces a cleaner cut in wood when sharpened (as most of our tools do). Gretch

I also have never heard the term so I "Googled" it. All of the references that I found were medically related and from what I found, it doesn't exactly mean three-sided as in the tool that woodturners use. Every reference to the tool that I have heard always call it a pyramid tipped tool or simply pyramid tool. Here is a definition for "trocar" from my "Googling":

A trocar (variant of trochar; from French troquard, an alteration of trois-quarts meaning three-quarters, from trois meaning three + quart meaning quarter; first recorded in the Dictionnaire des Arts et des Sciences, 1694, by Thomas Corneille ...
​

Looking at pictures of trocars shows that the medical definition has expanded and evolved over time to include things that have other shapes, but serve the same or similar purpose. All of those pictures of trocars look pretty scary to me as I don't particularly like being sliced open after having gone through cardiac bypass surgery seventeen years ago. I just got out of the hospital this weekend after having a stroke last Wednesday. Fortunately, no trocars were involved in my stay there. Perhaps, even more fortunate is that I left the hospital in an upright position.

 

[Charlie Knighton]

glad you are home Bill & wish you well

I believe SB used a 3 sided tool on his volcano turning........do not remember what he called it.......I made one with the help of the chapel hill woodtuners.....or maybe they made it for me and I use it......yeah I will stick to the latter story

 

[hockenbery]

glad you are home Bill & wish you well I believe SB used a 3 sided tool on his volcano turning........do not remember what he called it.......I made one with the help of the chapel hill woodtuners.....or maybe they made it for me and I use it......yeah I will stick to the latter story

"I made one too"

Real story- James McClure gave us pyramid tool he made with a purple heart handle.
Comes in handy for all sorts of things.

 

[Odie]

Another thought is that I would call your wood tiger maple rather than curly (meaning more stripes per inch) realizing this is a can of worms-which you groove on , Odie!!!!!, Gretch

Sorry, Gretch.....I let my mind wander a little with my previous post......."tiger" maple.....yes, I guess that would work.....tiger, curly, and fiddleback all are descriptive of the same kind of figuring. I'm not sure where the dividing line between the three words is/are. I should use the terms tiger and fiddleback more often, because they resonate with those who aren't woodworkers a bit more than curly does. There is benefit to using these terms from an entrepreneur's point of view......could mean sales!.......

I believe there was a thread, sometime in the past, that discussed the terms used to describe alternative terms that can be applied to what is more commonly known as curly. It was some years ago, if I'm not mistaken......and, the differences between the terms seemed to have had no definite benchmarks for differentiating between them.

Yes, I guess that could be a "can of worms, depending on whose opinions are being compared........

ko

 

[Gerald Lawrence]

Odie, Nice looking bowl. What is the finish? I agree with you on the recognized fact that tiger stripe, fiddleback and curly are defined in woodworking as meaning the same thing although some older definitions in antiques do not recognize them as being the same.

Bil, Glad you made it out in good shape.

 

[Bill Boehme]

"I made one too"

Real story- James McClure gave us pyramid tool he made with a purple heart handle.
Comes in handy for all sorts of things.

I made one too. ... sort of ... I gave Joe Ruminski a few bucks for one that he made when he was at our club a few years ago. He brought a bunch with him for students to use in the classes and encouraged us to make our own, but I figured that would just be another one of those projects where I never would get a "round tuit". His pointy tool is a bit different than the pure pyramid shaped tool because it has a top side that is parallel to the tool shank rather than being a true pyramid shape. Maybe if Frank Lloyd Wright had designed the pyramids ...

 

[john lucas]

I've made a couple over the years. Just for a laugh to show how dumb I can be sometimes, I was using my first one and wasn't totally pleased with how clean the cuts were. This tool was kind of blunt looking with the facets being just about like a pyramid. So dummy me decided that if the bevels were longer it would have a more acute cutting edge and leave a cleaner cut. Well DUH, they are still 120 degrees. Had to sit down and have a drink after that fiasco. Don't know what I was thinking.
Odie Wonderful bowl. One thing I've found. If I make my bowl or platter as a user rather than an art piece I don't put fine details like that. It traps food and is hard to clean. I'm sure you know that just thought I'd put it out there in case someone else is as slow as me at learning stuff like that.

 

[Odie]

Odie, Nice looking bowl. What is the finish? I agree with you on the recognized fact that tiger stripe, fiddleback and curly are defined in woodworking as meaning the same thing although some older definitions in antiques do not recognize them as being the same.

Gerald.....Thanks!

I've been using Danish oil natural for so long, and my process has evolved in surface preparation, that it's working real well for me.

Yes, I've found there are opinions that vary greatly on definitions.

Odie Wonderful bowl. One thing I've found. If I make my bowl or platter as a user rather than an art piece I don't put fine details like that. It traps food and is hard to clean. I'm sure you know that just thought I'd put it out there in case someone else is as slow as me at learning stuff like that.

Thanks as well, John.......

Yes, you're absolutely right about details like that being "food catchers"! I do some detail grooves in a few of my "food safe" bowls, but nothing as drastic as this bowl. This one, of course, is not intended as a food bowl, but more as a centerpiece, or decor' bowl in the living room, or parlor.

ko

 

[Gretch Flo]

[QUOT

"I just got out of the hospital this weekend after having a stroke last Wednesday. Fortunately, no trocars were involved in my stay there. Perhaps, even more fortunate is that I left the hospital in an upright position.[/QUOTE]"

Gosh Bill. You still are sharp as a tack. or should i say a trocar pointed IM (intramedullary)pin!!!!!!. We use the term in orthopedics to specifically mean a 3 sided tip. I think the 2 sided ones (which is rarely used) are called spade tips.-much like a "spade bit". Guess my knowledge is too focal!!!,
Glad you're still upright and taking nourishment from the forum, Gretch

 

[Bill Boehme]

Gosh Bill. You still are sharp as a tack. or should i say a trocar pointed IM (intramedullary)pin!!!!!!. We use the term in orthopedics to specifically mean a 3 sided tip. I think the 2 sided ones (which is rarely used) are called spade tips.-much like a "spade bit". Guess my knowledge is too focal!!!,
Glad you're still upright and taking nourishment from the forum, Gretch

Thanks, Gretch. If I had my druthers, I druther not have gone through that, but I feel incredibly fortunate that the damage was no more than what it was. A stroke is usually a devastating event. While I was in the ER, my doctor had the same last name as some people that I know, so I asked him if he was related to a member of my club with the same last name and he said that he was my friend's son. Small world. So we spent a few minutes talking about woodturning. Later on, one of the workers from the ER came to visit me in my room and said that the doctor had told several folks that I was a woodturner ... almost as if I were some kind of celebrity. The ER worker admitted that he had no idea what a woodturner was so I showed him some pictures on my iPad of things that I have made. He said, "So you were like this even before you had the stroke?" I said, "Yeah, I'm afraid so." He said, "Well, we have an excellent therapy department here." I guess that he didn't quite understand woodturning. The only residual damage is that the right side of my head is numb, so I guess that folks can now call me a numbskull and I won't take offense.

Here are a couple pictures of the three sided tool that I got from Joe Ruminski. It does have a three cornered tip at the end which is much sharper than the standard pyramid tip. There is also a "skew-like" knife edge below the tip. I like it because I can use it to make really crisp detail grooves.

 

[hockenbery]

Bill glad your ok. Your tool looks a lot like a skew. I have a round skew I use on ornament finials.

 

[Bill Boehme]

Bill glad your ok. Your tool looks a lot like a skew. I have a round skew I use on ornament finials.

You have a point, Al. The tool is 1/4" diameter M2 steel. The picture sort of makes it look like it might be a round skew with the top ground flat, but the two "sides" are angled away from each other like a narrow pyramid tool except they are are at a more acute angle. So, instead of a pyramid where the angles are 60°, 60°, 60° to make three equal sides, the angles are approximately 30°, 75°, 75° to form an isosceles base. It's hard to get a picture that clearly depicts the shape. The second picture may be causing more confusion than actually helping. It shows the left side from about 45° below center.

Maybe that's the same way that you would make a round skew ... I don't know.

 

[Odie]

Also glad you are doing ok, Bill.......

ko

 

[hockenbery]

You have a point, Al. The tool is 1/4" diameter M2 steel. The picture sort of makes it look like it might be a round skew with the top ground flat, but the two "sides" are angled away from each other like a narrow pyramid tool except they are are at a more acute angle. So, instead of a pyramid where the angles are 60°, 60°, 60° to make three equal sides, the angles are approximately 30°, 75°, 75° to form an isosceles base. It's hard to get a picture that clearly depicts the shape. The second picture may be causing more confusion than actually helping. It shows the left side from about 45° below center. Maybe that's the same way that you would make a round skew ... I don't know.

The round skew should have the same bevel angle on the cutting edge from tip to heel.
The modified pyramid tool in your photo has a compound miter type angles on the bevel from tip to heel.
But similar and I could use your tool to turn a bead almost as good as I would get with a skew.

Al