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Hi everyone,
I am new to this forum (and turning). I am primarily turning drum shells. 14" diameter X 6" deep, stave construction (20 staves). I basically need to round the outside and inside to form a cylinder (no fancy curves, just straight sides). I need advice on which tools/chisels to use for both the inside and outside.

Thanks,
Steve
 
Got any photos of your drum shells?

What kind of lathe do you have, and how do you intend to mount?

ooc

I have the dreaded Craftsman 15" lathe. I glue the shell to a 1" thick pine disc which is mounted to a faceplate. The lathe is spinning at about 360 rpm. Even with my limited experience, it seems to work OK. I have turned a shell (no pic yet), and it worked, I just think there is probably a "correct" tool to use that I am not. I did the bulk of the work with a gouge and a skew chisel.

SP
 
So what's the problem with what you're using?

Large bowl gouge would work; or a roughing gouge. With the bowl gouge point the bevel, and push, in the direction you want your line to run, with the shaft rolled over a bit (flute open towards your neck?).

May need to even the surface with a scraper at 45 degrees depending on how good your cutting technique was.
 
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So what's the problem with what you're using?

Large bowl gouge would work; or a roughing gouge. With the bowl gouge point the bevel, and push, in the direction you want your line to run, with the shaft rolled over a bit (flute open towards your neck?).

May need to even the surface with a scraper at 45 degrees depending on how good your cutting technique was.

The problem lies with turning the inside. Because of the depth, it seems that to reach the "bottom" of the shell, I have to place the gouge at an steep angle that does not seem to give great results.
 
Yes.

Off the top of the head, some options:

After hollowing, clean up with a box scraper (basically a side cutting scraper; do a google for pics). This is fairly easy to use but depending on the timber may tear the grain a bit. Better is a square scraper and you cut the end grain, but with an overhang of more than 3" it gets difficult to control. (Then a 3/8" thick one comes into its own).

Hollow with an Oland tool (again, google for pics). You can make one of these yourself with a bit of HSS steel and a mild steel shaft. Again, clean up with a box scraper.

With pencil jars I've resorted more these days to cleaning up with a cylindrical sander mounted in a drill.

Hope this helps.

Added: http://aroundthewoods.com/oland.shtml
 
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Never worried much about the insides of staved drums, perhaps because we made them with twelve sides, which was good enough. The outsides work best with a good long-radius gouge like a U-shape rougher or a continental (forged) type. If you work high, a straight chisel planes like a champ.

If you want the interior round for some reason, I'd set it up so it reverses onto a wedge and ridge jam chuck. You could help hold it with a bead of hot glue which would peel off well enough. Get a steady!
 
I used to turn cylinder drums for a living. We never turned the inside more than in inch or so in from the rims, but if you must, a jam chuck sounds like a good idea as Mr. Mouse suggests. But first, I would turn the outside.
The setup that is best used depends on the quantity of shells you will be producing. If you will be doing multiples, then the time spent fabricating jigs for the various steps is worthwhile. Otherwise you cobble something up and hope for the best.

We used plywood discs on a heavy steel mandrel to hold the shells, with 5/16" machine bolts tapped in short angle iron brackets pointing outwards. 6 to 8 of these screwed around the perimeter of the disc acted as internal adjustable "chucks". Two per drum, one at each end.

A 6" depth for the 14" diameter is manageable enough where the above technique is probably overkill. Instead, just turn a big solid wood plug to jam the shell on with a friction fit. Think about making the plug a bit less than half the length of the drum shell, so you can turn both outside and half of the inside--then flipping it around and jamming it on another plug that fits the turned surfaces--either the inside, or the outside..

A long-and-strong gouge with a swept-back grind (Ellsworth grind) should work for both outside and inside.

If the O.D. and/or I.D. need to be sized accurately, I might use a Jamieson bar sliding along stop blocks attached to the front and back toolrests. Just a thought, never tried that in a real situation.
 
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Thanks

Wow, guys. Thanks for all the advice. It may take me a while to digest all the tips (remember, I'm new to this turning stuff), but I really appreciate the time you guys took to answer the questions.

Steve
 
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