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Pm 4224

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Dave Roller

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I've read just about every post here that discusses the PM 4224, but I can't determine if it's shipped assembled. If not, in how many pieces. I'll probably be ordering from Osolnik Machinery, but I imagine that all are packed the same way at the factory. Some of you have posted that you own this model. Any insight you can give me will be appreciated.

I'll be calling the factory service number to get the dimensions of the crate. My new shop will be built on one end of my new garage. It'll have a 6' garage door in the rear, and I'm sure I can get the crate through that.
 
Natty,
Follows here not official info, but all Jet 16's and PM 3520's that I have or have seen posts about come in a single crate on a flimsy pallet, with the headstock, banjo, and tailstock mounted on the lathe bed, which is screwed/bolted to the pallet. The legs are in individual boxes within the crate. Ancillary pieces are variously wrapped, taped, and stuffed amongst the major components.

So the easy way is to lift the lathe bed (with all that stuff already on it) with your tractor front loader, being very thoughtful how you hook it up since it is top heavy and wants to turn upside down. Slide a leg under each end and bolt 'er up. If your tractor is small enough (mine isn't), you could then lift the assembled lathe, drive through that 6' door and set it where you want it.
 
It came in one piece. I had to take it all a part to get it down the stairs. Thank goodness for large appliance dollies. Everything went back together just fine. It proves not every great lathe is painted white.😱
 
Legs were attached. Tailstock in place. If I plugged it in it was ready for service. I believe the banjo and tool rest were in a box between the legs along with the other bits and pieces. The 3520b comes the same way. The jet 4016's come with legs unattached. The ways are significantly lighter. I've had the "pleasure" to wrestle with all three. 😀
 
Mine was in one piece. The way the motor is mounted below the bed and the VFD (speed controller) is mounted on the leg it wouldn't make sense to ship it without the legs attached. My 4224 has been great although powermatic had to send a technician out to align the headstock to the tailstock. Mine was a little off when it arrived and could not be adjusted by loosening the headstock mounting bolts.
 
OK. One piece it is. I'm thinking about having it unloaded at the garage and put on a wheeled platform and rolling, pushing, pulling or whatever it takes to get it into my workshop. I'll just have to leave an opening from the garage into my workship wide enough for the crate to pass. Or, I could uncrate it in the garage and then jack it up enough to place each end on a wheeled platform. That way it could fit through a 30" door.

Thanks for all the input. Applied for my building permit yesterday, and I've got a couple of contractors coming tomorrow.
 
Natty Boh said:
OK. One piece it is. I'm thinking about having it unloaded at the garage and put on a wheeled platform and rolling, pushing, pulling or whatever it takes to get it into my workshop. I'll just have to leave an opening from the garage into my workship wide enough for the crate to pass. Or, I could uncrate it in the garage and then jack it up enough to place each end on a wheeled platform. That way it could fit through a 30" door.

Thanks for all the input. Applied for my building permit yesterday, and I've got a couple of contractors coming tomorrow.
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Do you have or will you have concrete floors in both garage and shop? If you do a couple of decent 2X6's(six or seven ft.) and several 3/16 or 1/4 in steel rods, long enough to span the width of the pallet will get you into the shop where you can then uncrate. Slipping a pair of 2X6's along the length of the pallet( at the outer width) then spanning the width with the steel pins allows you to push the machine. Total lifting hight is less than 2". Much safer than 4+" for inserting wheels.
 
Jake, that's a good idea. I've got a lot of 3/4" black iron pipe I could use to do as you suggest. Once I get it into the garage and get it uncrated, I will then have to make a 90* left turn to go into the shop from the garage. That I still haven't figured out other than by using swivel casters on one end and fixed casters on the other.

I could simplify the whole problem by getting a 3520B, which I have no doubt I could handle easily, but I've heard such goods things about the 4224 that I want to get it if I can manage the moving about.

Thank you and all the others for your input.
 
Natty Boh said:
Jake, that's a good idea. I've got a lot of 3/4" black iron pipe I could use to do as you suggest. Once I get it into the garage and get it uncrated, I will then have to make a 90* left turn to go into the shop from the garage. That I still haven't figured out other than by using swivel casters on one end and fixed casters on the other.
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Angling the pipes will allow you to make the turn. All you need is a crow bar and a little patience.
 
Natty,
How much does the 4224 weigh? Two strong guys, or maybe it was three, moved my assembled 1642 through a 36" door with a tall sill plate using two 2-wheel hand trucks, to where I could get to it with the tractor.

Assume you are doing some new construction, so just for ref., my new shop and garage building has 48" insulated steel door with "handicapped" (very low) threshold between the shop and garage end. Made it relatively easy to set 400+ pound tools in garage end on dollies or mobile bases with tractor, and then manually roll them into the shop. All this latter tractoring and rolling was done by two not very strong people.

If any way feasible, strongly advise a wider than 30" door. Good luck with new playhouse, er, no, that's work area.
 
Thanks for all the suggestions. Waiting for prices to come in for the workshop-garage. I hope we can get the footers and concrete work done befor really cold weather comes along.

Texian, the 4224 weighs a little over 900 pounds crated and 848 pounds net.
 
Natty,
Gadzook, that's about 400# more than the 1642! You do need a tractor and about 6 or 8 strong folks with no back problems.

Good luck with the new shop construction.
 
Thanks to all who replied to this post. I had my lathe shipped to a local tractor dealer who loaded it onto my trailer, which has a fold-down tail gate ramp. I backed the trailer up to the garage, lowered the gate, pried up one end of the crate, place a 3" pipe under the crate, pushed it forward enough to get another pipe underneath, and then rolled it off the trailer, all the while keeping it under control with a rope (which was wrappped arond the front bar of the trailer) around the crate. Upon the front of the crate reaching the floor, I drove the trailer far enough forward for me to place another pipe under the crate. From there on, it was just a matter of rolling it across the shop floor, all the while keeping at least two of three pipes under the crate. It sits in the middle of the shop and will be ucrated after the drywall for the shop is finished.

Jake, the pipe idea you suggested worked like a dream. The entire operation took less than five minutes. In fact, by the time my wife had brought the camera from the house, the lathe was in the shop.

There is still a lot of work to be done on the new garage/shop, but I expect to be turnig with my new lathe in about a month.
 
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