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Photoshop CS5

Steve Worcester

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Granted, John Lucas posted this on Woodcentral, but this is a fantastic piece of software (but expensive). May have to upgrade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfkjHnsAsvg

Now if they just maid Bridge a better product...

I have been waiting for its release and saw the announcement a couple days ago. As a NAPP member, I was invited to be a pre-release tester, but did not have the time to spend evaluating it. I have been using CS3 Extended and decided to skip CS4 when I found out that CS5 was scheduled for release in mid-Spring of this year. I have been using CS3 Design Premium, but may scale back to just Photoshop with Bridge and Camera RAW. The Camera RAW enhancements are supposed to be really good.

BTW, I did not see any problem with Bridge in CS3 other than the occasional message that it had committed a boo-boo and needed to shut down. 😀
 
By the way, Steve. Now that I have used the Extended version (which is geared mainly towards scientific and engineering use), I don't think that I could go back to the regular version.

My wife got a new P&S camera that came with Photoshop Elements so I decided to take a look at it. All that I can say is that it is like riding a toy pedal car after driving a Lamborghini. 😉
 
That was an eye-opening video!

When using photo-editing tools like these for display of our woodworking, doesn't the question of ethics come into play? I can visualize something like this being abused to a great degree.

What I'm thinking of is the AAW online competitions, and sales of completed objects......both here, and other online places.

I've been buying quite a few chunks of wood online......and I haven't detected dishonesty as a result of photoshopping yet......although I do see "misting" of wood as something that has "misled" my perception of what I was buying.

Since "photoshopping" seems to be very difficult to detect (if done correctly), I do see this somewhat as a problem in making purchases over the internet, and jurying/judging competitive events.

comments?

ooc
 
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Odie Ethics is going to be a very real potential problem. As someone who shoots a lot of artwork I frequently get to discuss this topic. I won't do any retouching that I would consider alters the piece to the consumer. I would hate to be involved in court cases that use photography.
 
I don't know if you guys know this, but the camera manufacturers and Adobe have developed authentication verification hardware and software that can be used to assure that an image has not been edited. Some newer model cameras such as my Canon 7D incorporate this feature. It also requires special software to perform the verification. This was developed primarily to meet the needs of law enforcement and also medical imaging verification, but can be used wherever there is a need.
 
Bill I sat in on a seminar about 10 years ago where they showed some software that could detect that a photo had been altered and could show the pixels that had been changed. It could not show what was removed only that something in that area had been changed.
The biggest problem will be the photos not subject to actual court cases where someone can afford the experts.
Other than that of course it opens up a lot of advantages for those of us struggling to get by as photographers.
 
The technology from ten years ago was primitive by comparison to today's verification. While you can't back out original data from an altered JPG image, the intent of verification is not to do that -- it is just to verify authenticity. I have my camera set up to leave image verification turned on for all of my images. It does not prevent me from doing post processing, but it does verify whether the image has been edited.

BTW, when shooting RAW, we are actually not far from having the pure unalterable original content of the image. The contents of a RAW file is never modified during editing. The actual editing is saved in another file which may either be embedded or attached to the RAW file and it is simply a list of the editing changes to be incorporated once a copy of the RAW file is saved as a human viewable image such as JPG. Trying to edit a RAW file directly would be a very complex process.

I think that there is a lot of misconception about Photoshop editing. For example, my typical workflow consists of tonal adjustments, exposure adjustment, white balance, capture sharpening, noise reduction, correction of chromatic aberration, correction of lens distortion, cropping, resizing, color profile conversion, converting from 16 to 8 bits per pixel, and finally output sharpening. I think that it is a common misconception that Photoshop is typically used to alter the contents of an image by either adding or removing content. While it is possible to do that, there are few people who can do it well enough that it is not obvious to a trained eye. I can spot an image where the content has been manipulated almost immediately. There are many tell-tale signs that will quickly give away an altered image.

When it comes to determining the extent of processing images of wood or woodturnings, it is somewhat subjective on where to draw the line between acceptable and excessive processing. And there is no single "right" way, even within a camera saving images as JPG's, there is usually a choice of a number of shooting "styles", each with a different characteristic. Even in manually processing RAW images, nobody reaches the exact same conclusion about the final result, but I try to achieve what I remember seeing in my mind's eye.

Probably the biggest reason that the end result is somewhat nebulous in digital imaging is that there is a vast difference between what our eye/brain sees and what a digital camera sensor sees. The camera's sensor responds to light in a linear fashion and can only see light intensity -- not color. But, the sensor uses a Bayer array of red, green, and blue filters over different sensor sites and then by combining them, is able to create the illusion of color. Our eyes, on the other hand see light intensity in approximately a logarithmic fashion and determines color only in a very tiny area of the eye known as the fovea. As our eye scans around, our brain "remembers" colors and uses that to create what we call color vision. Also, we do not get the color information in a direct way from the eye -- our eyes sense the difference between colors (called opponency, we see the difference between red and green and the difference between blue and yellow). If we were able somehow to directly view the contents of a RAW image, it would appear something like a dark murky, low contrast, brownish image.
 
I don't know if you guys know this, but the camera manufacturers and Adobe have developed authentication verification hardware and software that can be used to assure that an image has not been edited. Some newer model cameras such as my Canon 7D incorporate this feature. It also requires special software to perform the verification. This was developed primarily to meet the needs of law enforcement and also medical imaging verification, but can be used wherever there is a need.

Thanks for this input, Bill......

I wasn't aware of that at all......matter of fact, I'd be somewhere around a one, on a scale of 1-10 for photographic knowledge! 😀

So.......Here's a quick question: With the software for checking if a photo has been altered, can I check any photo on the internet and verify if it's authentic.....or not?

If so, is it possible for those who wish to present altered photos as true representations, to avoid detection?

Curious minds want to know! 😀

ooc
 
So.......Here's a quick question: With the software for checking if a photo has been altered, can I check any photo on the internet and verify if it's authentic.....or not?

If so, is it possible for those who wish to present altered photos as true representations, to avoid detection?

Curious minds want to know! 😀

ooc

Only a few cameras have image verification capability since it is fairly new technology. My Canon 7D has that capability. I suspect that you won't find many images on the Internet or anywhere else that have not been edited to some extent. Even resizing an image or just cropping it means that it has been edited. Generally, web images are compressed to reduce file size and make them load quicker. Compression alters the content of the file. Since the average RAW file out of my camera is about 24 MB, there is no interest in using an unedited file except for very limited circumstances. If you are concerned about some particular images, I think that common sense is as good as anything in making a judgment about what you see.
 
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