Panamint Basket Illusion

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

Panamint Basket Illusion

 

[George Stratton]

OMG. Fantastic. I can't even imagine having that much patience. Any idea on total hours in that project??

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

I lost track George, but I spent I will say at least 130 hours just to burn and color. My new burning tip increased the coloring time by a factor of 2 to 3 due to the points of the stitches.

 

[Bill Boehme]

Very nice work and very innovative burning tip. One recommendation that I have is to use the super fine Copic tips and then sharpen them with 400 grit sandpaper so that you can work down in the tight spaces between the beads. It's much more tedious work, but it gives a more realistic look by coloring each individual segment.

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

Thanks Bill.
I am using 0.1m/m Faber-Castell and trimmed but the beads are deep which make it very difficult to just color the point, hence more time for coloring.
That is the reason I am working on a new beading tool.

 

[Bill Boehme]

I have slightly modified the D-Way tools by holding the flat sides of the tool against the side of the stone on my Tormek. This slightly reduces the depth of the groove between the beads. It also makes the bead a little narrower.

You and I may be the only two people who don't burn the grooves between the beads. It's not necessary since the natural shadow produces a more realistic look.

Are you making your own burning tips?

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

yes I am

 

[Bill Boehme]

Now. I'm really impressed.

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

 

[SMawson]

I like the effect of you burning tip however I am not sure I want to spend more time on a piece than I already do. Would it be possible to PM me a photo of the tip?

 

[Bill Boehme]

I figured out one way to create a weave illusion in the style of Lincoln Seitzman, but it's really tedious and my hands aren't as steady as they once were. Just for grins I might see if I can get Pat at PJL Enterprises to modify a pen for me so that I can try it on something small, but I have a feeling that my shaking hands won't allow me to get the necessary precision.

I am currently working on my second attempt at a basket illusion piece to donate to the 2-for-1 drawing at SWAT. My first attempt was going to be ultra thin walled, but I went a bit too far with the thin wall and now I can see daylight in a couple spots.

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

I like the effect of you burning tip however I am not sure I want to spend more time on a piece than I already do. Would it be possible to PM me a photo of the tip?

Steve, the burning with my new tip takes the same time than the one I was using before. It is the coloring due to the points of the stitches effect. I am working on a new beading tool and corresponding burning tip that I believe will speed up the coloring time. I will PM.

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

I figured out one way to create a weave illusion in the style of Lincoln Seitzman, but it's really tedious and my hands aren't as steady as they once were. Just for grins I might see if I can get Pat at PJL Enterprises to modify a pen for me so that I can try it on something small, but I have a feeling that my shaking hands won't allow me to get the necessary precision.

I am currently working on my second attempt at a basket illusion piece to donate to the 2-for-1 drawing at SWAT. My first attempt was going to be ultra thin walled, but I went a bit too far with the thin wall and now I can see daylight in a couple spots.

It is funny that you mentioned Lincoln Seitzman style. I am also thinking doing something small to start following his technique. I am studying his basket illusions from pictures. I wish I could see one of his pieces. Jim Adkins suggested I should go to the SWAT in August, he will be there. I told him I will go. We will have the chance to meet and share more ideas about Lincoln Seitzman style and other things.

 

[Bill Boehme]

Jim and I were both invited to turn pieces for the drawing on Saturday night. Jim urged me to turn a basket illusion piece. In my estimation he is the grand master of basket illusions so I'm feeling a bit intimidated. I think that you will enjoy SWAT.

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

I think I will too, I agree with you Bill, so much to learn from him ... and on top of that he is a GREAT guy, I have a high esteem for him.

 

[RichColvin]

I look at these and believe they are beautiful and so realistic looking. But I have a question for the gurus : do your customers look at them and ask, "but why would I not simply buy a basket ?"

Kind regards,
Rich

 

[John Torchick]

Mos impressive with the time that goes into a turning with the basket weave pattern. Question on the word, Pinamint. Not familiar but the Panamint Mountain Range in Death Valley, California was the site of a gold strike in the 19th century. Any connection?

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

Mos impressive with the time that goes into a turning with the basket weave pattern. Question on the word, Pinamint. Not familiar but the Panamint Mountain Range in Death Valley, California was the site of a gold strike in the 19th century. Any connection?

You are right John. It should be Panamint. I am new in the Forum and Gallery and I cannot manage to correct the spelling. I just added 4 other pictures of basket illusions in my album Basket Illusions and I cannot see them.

 

[Bill Boehme]

I look at these and believe they are beautiful and so realistic looking. But I have a question for the gurus : do your customers look at them and ask, "but why would I not simply buy a basket ?"

The basket illusions look more realistic than the real baskets.

The high end coiled baskets aren't cheap. One might ask why should I buy a real coiled basket when I could buy a turned wood basket illusion for less?

 

[Doug Rasmussen]

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I'm curious how the "stitch" spacing is established. It seems too uniform to be done by eye.

 

[John Torchick]

My complements on the turnings. I don't have the patience to spend that amount of time on one item. Thanks for sharing.

 

[SMawson]

I think I will too, I agree with you Bill, so much to learn from him ... and on top of that he is a GREAT guy, I have a high esteem for him.

Yep Jim is a great person. Took his class in I think 2014 which got me started on this journey, later visited his shop on a trip to the SE US. Plus I learned a lot about the native americans that did the actual weaving.

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

The basket illusions look more realistic than the real baskets.

The high end coiled baskets aren't cheap. One might ask why should I buy a real coiled basket when I could buy a turned wood basket illusion for less?

A very good example:

 

[Bill Boehme]

It was incredibly generous of Jim to donate such a beautiful turning to the drawing.

 

[Jean-Louis Meynier]

I'm curious how the "stitch" spacing is established. It seems too uniform to be done by eye.

This is what I am doing ...

 

[Curt Fuller]

Just when I think I might be starting to understand this basket illusion thing you guys go and send my head spinning again!