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O’Donell Jaws

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I bought a set of these quite a few years ago but have never used them. Anyone on here use them? They are touted as being useful to “offer a great range of workholding options enabling better access to the rear of the work piece, especially when turning bowls”. Axminster offer a picture:

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I suppose if you work a lot of green wood and part turn stuff this could be handy. I don’t though and generally turn and finish the outside first. Am I missing something?
 
I use them all the time, great for holding squares. I use them mostly for boxes and holding squares, occasionally for small bowl turnings. I don’t use them for very large turnings and have never used them turning green wood.
 
With the bolt-in jaw inserts it looks like they would give a lot of quick flexibility in tenon/recess size without switching main jaws/chucks. I saw different jaw inserts available on one web site. I do like the conical design of the chuck for clearance. Looks like it extends a long way from the headstock though, prob no problem for small work.
 
Since I haven't used my O'donell jaws since purchase 3 years ago, I would classify the jaws "a solution in search of a problem".
I am a bit discouraged with the accuracy of Axminister chucks and jaws, some due to the use of socket head cap screws for jaw attachment. The individual jaws can move in the clearance to the cap screws as you replace jaws. I machined a brass ring for the perfect circle dimension of the jaws, and I can change the position the center of rotation in relation to the chuck center of rotation by 1/32 of an inch. I know "It's just wood I am machining", but I expected better accuracy for a premium priced chuck. Now I have mounting jaws centered for each set of chuck jaws. A lot of additional expense.

They do look pretty and are easier to change with mounting jaws pre aligned.
 
Some seem to think they are the best thing since sliced bread, but I have 3 sets of jaws for a Nova g3 chuck that are very similar, a lot cheaper, and no more trouble to change out. I don’t see the allure, except maybe the SS construction, and although I turn wet wood, rust isn’t an issue.
 
Some seem to think they are the best thing since sliced bread, but I have 3 sets of jaws for a Nova g3 chuck that are very similar, a lot cheaper, and no more trouble to change out. I don’t see the allure, except maybe the SS construction, and although I turn wet wood, rust isn’t an issue.
Having 3 sets of jaws is to replace the O’Donnell jaws is not a solution for me. Since I hate to change jaws it would mean I would have 3 chucks. And the Nova jaws are nowhere near the same in my opinion. As far as the cap head screws I think they better than the counter sunk screws. I have not had issues with them. I snug the screws and then close the jaws before fully tightening. I haven’t stripped a head yet where I have with the counter head screws.
 
This thread has brought up a couple of points that I’d like to comment on from my perspective. Obviously others have different circumstances and have their own views.

First off though, I’ve actually dug out my O’Donnell and found they are probably an intermediate model? I believe early ones were simpler with no facility for adding inserts. Mine however are marked as 2” and have holes to add inserts and have a black oxide? Finish of some sort. Current models are made from stainless steel in metric sizes, 50mm, 38mm and 25mm. Plus inserts for the largest model.

These are mine.

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Some musings. I have six or seven chucks for both metal work and wood turning lathes. The Axminster SK100 I have is without doubt one of the best quality chucks I have. The only one that compares is an English made 5” four jaw independent chuck made by Elliott, probably in the 1950’s or 60’s. The little Record Power SC2 I have is also nicely made. The Supernova 2 I have is OK but the Chuck Jaws are fairly poor quality castings compared to the nicely machined ones of the Axminster shown in the above picture.

Much of the UK can be fairly damp for a good few months of the year so the Stainless Steel construction of the Axminster Chucks and Accessory Jaws shouldn’t be dismissed lightly. Many chucks are plain steel and will rust quite readily under the right conditions. I’ve seen quite a number of rusty chucks and other wood turning equipment offered for sale here in the UK! My Supernova 2 is Nickel plated so has some protection. Accessory jaws however appear to be plain steel. I know the compatible Record Power and Charnwood jaws are.

The registration between the Chuck Jaws and the Accessory Jaws is partly dependent on the tenon. Axminster chucks have a tenon on the Chuck Jaws whilst other makes have the tenon on the Accessory Jaws. I’ve not noticed any difference in alignment between the two types. The fasteners provide the other part of the registration. Once again I’ve not noticed any difference between socket head cap screws and countersunk screws. Countersunk screws shouldn’t in my opinion be relied upon to provide perfect registration.

I’ve found the best way to fit accessory jaws is to follow the manufacturers instructions and not to fully tighten the screws until the jaws have been aligned by closing them.

It’s perhaps worth mentioning that some metal work chucks have two part jaws and I’ve only ever seen them assembled with cap head socket screws. Having said that the design of the jaws appears to provide far better registration between the two parts.

Another feature of the Axminster chucks that is sometimes overlooked is that you can easily remove the Chuck Jaws. This is not possible on some other chucks without taking them apart. This is why I bought an extra set of them which are left attached as seen in my picture. I did strip my Supernova 2 apart and removed the “stop pin” so that I could wind the chuck jaws out if required. But even with it removed the Chuck Jaws still won’t wind out. You can argue about the pro’s and con’s of this but the current Axminster Chuck Jaws have an easily removed “stop screw”. My older Chuck Jaws don’t have this feature.

I think the O’Donnell Jaws are as others have suggested, something of a one trick Pony. As a result I’ve just ordered a set of these to try. Hopefully they’ll prove more useful but then they are half the cost so not so much of an investment.

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One thing is never going to change and that is if a woodturner owns it it is the best! If you have a Chuck and Jaws that are made by Nova, Oneway, Axminster or Vicmarc you can be 99% sure that you have a great working chuck. Every manufacturer will have a blip once in awhile but in general they consistently produce great products.
 
Since I haven't used my O'donell jaws since purchase 3 years ago, I would classify the jaws "a solution in search of a problem".
I am a bit discouraged with the accuracy of Axminister chucks and jaws, some due to the use of socket head cap screws for jaw attachment. The individual jaws can move in the clearance to the cap screws as you replace jaws. I machined a brass ring for the perfect circle dimension of the jaws, and I can change the position the center of rotation in relation to the chuck center of rotation by 1/32 of an inch. I know "It's just wood I am machining", but I expected better accuracy for a premium priced chuck. Now I have mounting jaws centered for each set of chuck jaws. A lot of additional expense.

They do look pretty and are easier to change with mounting jaws pre aligned.


@Joe Kaufman can you post a picture? I have several grizzly chucks that don’t run true. If this is a way to make them run true it would sure help.
 
I’ve found the best way to fit accessory jaws is to follow the manufacturers instructions and not to fully tighten the screws until the jaws have been aligned by closing them.

You’ve got that right. I’ve been surprised at intelligent and expert turners who for some reason forget to read the manuals! It certainly makes a difference. Like William, I hate to change jaws - hate it so much I have 20 chucks (well, down to 18 after I gave away a couple). Enough to handle multiple projects at once, especially nice when a student starts a project that takes several visits. (I have a partially finished yarn bowl that’s been parked in one chuck for over a year until I can get back to finishing it. Very soon, now, very soon!)

One thing is never going to change and that is if a woodturner owns it it is the best! If you have a Chuck and Jaws that are made by Nova, Oneway, Axminster or Vicmarc you can be 99% sure that you have a great working chuck.

I’m glad to hear someone else say that! More important than the brand to me when getting an additional chuck is to be sure the jaws are interchangeable.

JKJ
 
@Joe Kaufman can you post a picture? I have several grizzly chucks that don’t run true. If this is a way to make them run true it would sure help.
I bought some Pin Jaws for my Record Power chuck, they never ran true. The Dovetail Jaws that came with the chuck were fine though so I contacted the manufacturers. The replacement Pin jaws they sent me closed perfectly. Sometimes accessory jaws aren't manufactured too well it seems?

The Axminster and Charnwood jaws I’ve bought so far have been fine.
 
I think the O’Donnell Jaws are as others have suggested, something of a one trick Pony. As a result I’ve just ordered a set of these to try. Hopefully they’ll prove more useful but then they are half the cost so not so much of an investment.

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I am sure those jaws will work just fine for the intended purpose, but don’t see how they would be better or do more than the O’Donnell jaws. What makes the O’Donnell jaws valuable to me is I have the inserts and it gives me a range no other set of jaws has.
 
We are quite lucky here in the UK that Robert Sorby, Record Power, Nova and Charnwood Nexus Accessory Jaws are all interchangeable.

Then there’s the Versachuck. You can fit any one of four different Chuck Jaws to use virtually any Accessory Jaws available on the market?

 
Having 3 sets of jaws is to replace the O’Donnell jaws is not a solution for me. Since I hate to change jaws it would mean I would have 3 chucks. And the Nova jaws are nowhere near the same in my opinion. As far as the cap head screws I think they better than the counter sunk screws. I have not had issues with them. I snug the screws and then close the jaws before fully tightening. I haven’t stripped a head yet where I have with the counter head screws.
One thing is never going to change and that is if a woodturner owns it it is the best! If you have a Chuck and Jaws that are made by Nova, Oneway, Axminster or Vicmarc you can be 99% sure that you have a great working chuck.
Have to agree with you @Bill Blasic.
 
I am sure those jaws will work just fine for the intended purpose, but don’t see how they would be better or do more than the O’Donnell jaws. What makes the O’Donnell jaws valuable to me is I have the inserts and it gives me a range no other set of jaws has.
I want to try some accessory jaws that supports the work piece over a larger area. Whilst they are about the same length as the O’Donnell jaws they have a larger contact area. With some suitable packing I may also be able to use them for re-chucking some things without causing any damage.
 
@Bill Alston Yes they do have a larger contact area, but looking at the photo only they do not look to be heavy duty. You have the opportunity to check both out since you already have the O’Donnell jaws to see if one is better than the other.
 
The Axminster O’Donnell jaws only have a small contact area so not suitable for what I have in mind.
If they prove suitable, the new ones will only be used for re-chucking small spindle work and won’t take much force.
Worth a gamble as they’re pretty cheap.
 
I don’t know what you have in mind, but I don’t think 20mm is a small contact area. The LNJs do have 50mm contact area, however I have never had any problem clamping round or square with the O’Donnell jaws as shown in the pictures.


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I want to spread the load on a previously turned part. I’ll need to use some packing, but I’m hoping the much longer contact area on the ones I’ve ordered should help.
 
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