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Max Taylor

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Just got my new stihl 260 yesterday. Reading the manual, it requires mid-grade gas, not reg. unleaded. Also cannot run it at full rpm's until after 3 to 5 tanks of gas. Have lots of mesquite to cut into blanks and seal with anchorseal. bummer. Max
 
If it is like my older Stihl 025C, it was OK to have short bursts of a few seconds at full RPM, but not long sustained operation at full RPM. The main reason was the tight fit between the rings and cylinder wall that would get overheated from friction at long sustained high RPM and glaze the cylinder wall and prevent proper wear-in and, therefore, never get good compression. After a few hours of scuffing the cylinder wall at lower RPM, the rings and cylinder wall will wear in to seat properly with good compression. Also, you do not want to let the saw run at idle for a long period of time either or the cylinder wall will not get hot enough to wear-in.

Bill
 
But

boehme said:
Also, you do not want to let the saw run at idle for a long period of time either or the cylinder wall will not get hot enough to wear-in.

Bill

You DO want to let the saw idle for a minute or so before you shut it off. This allows the piston and block to cool down a bit so that you don't have marking or pitting of the cylander walls by hot rings when the saw stops.

m
 
Mark Mandell said:
You DO want to let the saw idle for a minute or so before you shut it off. This allows the piston and block to cool down a bit so that you don't have marking or pitting of the cylander walls by hot rings when the saw stops.

m
I agree with what you say, Mark. What I meant was to not let the saw idle for a long period as a substitute for proper wear-in.

Bill
 
I've had an 026 Stihl since May of 1999. It is the same thing as your 260, all they did was move a few numbers around. I don't remember about the break in period, but I can tell you that I have been running regular gas in it exclusively. It gets heavy use for both turning wood and firewood, and I am still using the original spark plug. 😱 It starts on the second or third pull when cold, first pull when warmed up. I have changed the filters, and gone through many a chain, but that is about it for maintenance so far. Good luck with it.

Oh yeah, I usually run it with a 20" bar, but I have a 16" for small limbs and lighter work. If I need to cut big stuff, I haul out the 046.

Bill
 
boehme said:
I agree with what you say, Mark. What I meant was to not let the saw idle for a long period as a substitute for proper wear-in.

Bill

Wasn't arguing, Bill. I understood your point which was also correct. Just noting a little extra care for new saw owners who may not realize that hopw they treat their new saw at the start will have long term dividends. This actually applies to any air-cooled engine, chain saws, trimmers, lawnmowers, motorcycles, etc. 🙂

ps: While I'd expect a motorcycle engine to be an exception, I've been told by several riders that they adle their new bikes before shut-down. No personal experience on this one, so just passing along 3rd party statements
 
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Max
I love my Stihl. If you are a direction reader, re-read the starting instructions or you'll flood it. I had to be trained and re-trained by my dealer before I got it right. If its flooded its done for the day or worse.

Close the choke all the way and set the lock on the throttle. Pull a couple times and it will pop. Now open the choke half way and pull again it will start right up. Give it the gas a go.

I use regular unlead in my mix and I add Stabil gas additive in the new gas for all my two cycle engines. When the gas gets old I put it in my truck tank.

Enjoy your new tool!

Frank
 
Frank Kobilsek said:
When the gas gets old I put it in my truck tank.

Frank

Hey Frank,

You better not have oil mixed with that gas you put in the truck. I'm told that'll do a number on your fuel system from pump to injectors and valves.

m

ps: not to mention the catalytic converter.
 
Another interesting thing I found by actually reading the manual{which I rarely do],about the time the chain needs sharpening or replacing da book says it is a good idea to turn the bar over to ensure even wear on the chain track. Sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe I should read more. Dustpan
 
Dustpan,
Turning the bar over when you change chains is quite right for the reason you read about. I usually hone my chains on the bar wisth a fixture set to the proper angle, but when they need a "real" sharpening, they come off and the bar gets turned.

I love my Stihl saws. 😀
 
Dustpan said:
Another interesting thing I found by actually reading the manual{which I rarely do],about the time the chain needs sharpening or replacing da book says it is a good idea to turn the bar over to ensure even wear on the chain track. Sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe I should read more. Dustpan

I've heard about guys burning through bars, but I have to wonder how. I've had the very same bar on my 023 Stihl since it was brand new in 1992. I have "dressed" it to remove the wear burr twice in all that time. I have gone through more than 30 chains in that time and cut close to 200 cords of firewood with the same bar.

Yes, I always flip the bar each time I change the chain.

No, I don't try to cut with a dull or damaged chain. When I'm out cutting, I carry 3 spare in the kit.

Do I "baby" my bar? Not a chance. You couldn't tell it's a Stihl bar 'cause all the paint's long gone. But I don't abuse it either.

Yeah, I read manuals as well, even if only to correct their English 😀
 
I've used a couple of bars up. If you cut dirty wood or wood with sand in it, it puts wear in the main groove. This wear changes the groove from a |_| shape to a \_/ shape. That makes the chain flop around and the cuts get real inefficient.

Also they will wear into that shape over time from general use. Or so says the Oregon website. All I know is the two worn bars I had were pretty worn. It woudl be interesting to hear from someone who does a whole lotta cutting.
 
Mark Mandell said:
You DO want to let the saw idle for a minute or so before you shut it off. This allows the piston and block to cool down a bit so that you don't have marking or pitting of the cylander walls by hot rings when the saw stops.

m
Mark-is this just for the break in period or all the time you use the chain saw? Gretch
 
bar wear

I have left a Stihl, 16 inch in Mass where I have family. I have cut alot of spalted sugar maple there, which is very hard, as well as cutting someone else's cherry burl cast offs (I dumpster dive!!! 😉, which are difficult to support, leadiing to some twisting while cutting. ie. I was hard on it. I had a newly sharpened chain, and the thing cut terrible. A new bar fixed that. Then I used it a couple more times, and back to the same problem. The fix it shop said I need a new bar again, and NOT to use the old chains,( my guess is that they rattle around leading to tearing up of the groove.). I cut alot more wood at home, but the pieces are alot more stablized while cutting, or just typical firewood and have not had that problem requiring another bar in years. Gretch
 
Gretch said:
Mark-is this just for the break in period or all the time you use the chain saw? Gretch

Actually, the arborist mechs I've asked the same question to say "both, but especially during the break-in." I have followed their advice. Doesn't take but a couple minutes at idle for the engine to cool down enough to prevent damage.
 
Gretch said:
I have left a Stihl, 16 inch in Mass where I have family. I have cut alot of spalted sugar maple there, which is very hard, as well as cutting someone else's cherry burl cast offs (I dumpster dive!!! 😉, which are difficult to support, leadiing to some twisting while cutting. ie. I was hard on it. I had a newly sharpened chain, and the thing cut terrible. A new bar fixed that. Then I used it a couple more times, and back to the same problem. The fix it shop said I need a new bar again, and NOT to use the old chains,( my guess is that they rattle around leading to tearing up of the groove.). I cut alot more wood at home, but the pieces are alot more stablized while cutting, or just typical firewood and have not had that problem requiring another bar in years. Gretch

Sounds like you're not properly tensioning your chain. New chains stretch and all chains must be retensioned after cutting for a little while because they get warm/hot and stretch out. I will retension my chain several times during a cutting session.

Very important as well is that you DETENSION your chain (like with a bandsaw) when you put it away. This prevents damage and stress when the chain shrinks as it cools, and can make a big difference in the life of your chain and bar.
 
Mark Mandell said:
Sounds like you're not properly tensioning your chain. New chains stretch and all chains must be retensioned after cutting for a little while because they get warm/hot and stretch out. I will retension my chain several times during a cutting session.

Very important as well is that you DETENSION your chain (like with a bandsaw) when you put it away. This prevents damage and stress when the chain shrinks as it cools, and can make a big difference in the life of your chain and bar.
Mark-Yes I retension as the chain warms up, esp new ones.. I have never detensioned either the chain saw, NOR my bandsaw after each use. Should I ???? Is that a real problem or are you being extra cautious??? The one where it ruined the new bar was an old but resharpened chain. I continued the next spring to reuse that same old chain and I am gathering that the bottom sprockets(word??), were worn, wobbling, and ruined the next bar. If I know I will be using it on dirty wood, I will change to the old bar, old resharpened chain 😀 Gretch
 
Gretch,

Yes, you should absolutely detension your bandsaw each day. This will prevent flat spots on your tires, premature blade problems, and prolong your shaft and motor bearings.

Back to chainsaws:

By retensioning as the chain warms, but not when it cools and shrinks, you put unnecessary strain, not just on the chain links themselves, but also on the bar, the nose sprocket, and the drive sprocket as the chain pulls tighter still. Since I cut more than 6 cords a year, I put a new drive sprocket on each saw at the beginning of every season as normal maintenence. I also grease the nose sprocket often (that's what that pinhole on one side of the nose is for).

I've seen lots of problems with sloppy chain sharpening; I've had several mower shops and even a "sharpener guy" completely ruin chains because they would not take the time to do them right. In fact that's why I got a good bench-mounted variable axis chain grinder, and do all the chains for my group of friends because I'm very careful to get the left and right cuttersets precisely balanced, the angles right, and the rakers at the proper depth. This way the chains cut straight and put the same force onto each of the bar rails. A properly done chain and bar should almost self-feed into the wood. I see someone "pushing" a saw into a log and I usually find a dull, improperly sharpened, unbalanced, and/or improperly tensioned chain. Keep working that way and you will toast the bar and drive sprocket as well.

Gretch, all this is not a matter of "caution," it simply makes the saw work much better which is the whole point. I have an arborist friend who borrowed my 28" Husky 372 once. Came back shaking his head (smiling) and went out and bought himself one. Then he came over to my shop and watched how I sharpen / tune my chains. Says once he became aware of the slight error in his grinder's set-up, he's been able to increase the performance on all of his saws with just a little more time. It's not secrets or rocket science. Most of what I do I've gotten from owners manuals [ 😱 ], and manufacturer's literature with a few "old hands" [my grandfather and others] and some trial and error thrown in for good measure.

As far as that old bar goes, if it's toasted and spread or flawed, pitch it. It'll only cause more problems. If it merely needs to be dressed, you can do that youself on your bench grinder, and have a perfectly serviceable bar. If your "old" chain has gotten too short in the teeth, pitch it. If not, learn how to sharpen and balance the cutters carefully.

Try it, you'll like it.
 
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Mark Mandell said:
Hey Frank,

You better not have oil mixed with that gas you put in the truck. I'm told that'll do a number on your fuel system from pump to injectors and valves.

m

ps: not to mention the catalytic converter.

Mark,

My GMC, small V8, currently has a hundred and twenty thousand miles on it. It runs slicker than the day I picked it up and has had my left-over 2-cycle gas added every fall since '98. I don't personally see how a quart or two of mix in a full tank of fresh fuel can be so detrimental. Maybe the thing would be good for 200,000+ if not using fuel mix and I'm shortning the life by a few thousand, 😱 won't know for a bit yet. Hopefully I'll be around to let you know one way or another, in a few years. 😀
 
Jake Debski said:
Mark,

My GMC, small V8, currently has a hundred and twenty thousand miles on it. It runs slicker than the day I picked it up and has had my left-over 2-cycle gas added every fall since '98. I don't personally see how a quart or two of mix in a full tank of fresh fuel can be so detrimental. Maybe the thing would be good for 200,000+ if not using fuel mix and I'm shortning the life by a few thousand, 😱 won't know for a bit yet. Hopefully I'll be around to let you know one way or another, in a few years. 😀

Only what I was told, Jake. I was tempted, like you, to put mine in the Jeep, but was told by the mech "absolutely not" and that the results would be painfull. I take my leftover to the toxic waste collection day run by the county.
 
I dump my old saw gas in the garden tractor, but them old K Series kohlers don't care much.

in 20 some odd years of running saws I've never detensioned a chain. The .075 Stihl stil has the origional bar on it, But it don't get used much. You better be man to lug that thing around. I use it for slpitting and trimming logs that won't fit in the saw mill

The 750EVL echo is only on its second bar in 10 years. The origional was on it when I bought it used, replaced it 9 years ago and its still going

The 500VL I have no idea its still running the same bar that was on it when I bought it 5 years ago.

I've never owned a new saw so i couldn't tell you about breaking one in
 
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