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New Delta 12" lathe

KEW

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I did a search here for the new Delta 46-460 lathe and got no results.
I think it has been out a couple of weeks now.
One thing I noted is that the motor plate says 8 Amps compared to the 1220vs at 4.5 Amps.
Has anyone tried one?
How does it compare to the Jet 1220vs?

Here is a link (scroll down):
http://www.deltaportercable.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=19220
 
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Delta lathe

I have not used the Jet before but have been using the Delta for awhile now.
I have to say I am sure impressed with it. I have turned some large stock on it with no problem. It is a nice smooth and quiet running lathe. Everything about it seems to be well built and sturdy.
I also have a Jet 1642 but now use the new Delta more than the Jet. Both are good lathes, but just something about the Delta makes it fun to turn on.
 
Delta Midi...

Hello Kew, I have a few smaller lathes including the Jet Mini VS. I simply LOVE the Jet so I looked into the slightly larger 1220 vs. I drove a couple of hours to see/buy the Jet but noticed that the VS is within ranges. The jet Mini has a low and hi setting but the 1220 had like 5 speed ranges and changing the belt was a real pain! I know this is not in the same price range but I wound up buying a Nova DVR and I have to say it is amazing!

I haven't seen the Delta but this link is cool!
http://www.deltaportercable.com/lathes/midi_lathe.html

Trust me, if you don't have the extra $ stay away from the Nova DVR because that darn lathe is addicting and once you see it you will want it! Take care, gotta go turn now... 🙂
 
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I'm one of the lucky that's been helping them with testing. I had a pre-production at first and then received a production version a year ago. I've asked them several times when they were going to be shipping the thing, as I'd never had any problems with either unit. It's finally on their web site and there are a couple of places that claim to have them for shipping, but at a higher price than I think it should be going for. If you can wait a little bit longer until multiple places have it and the price settles down, you'll probably save a fair amount. The variable speed version is a seriously sweet lathe and is worth the wait.
 
I might buy one and I have at least 2 other people in my area who really want one. I have called a couple of the Delta Dealers they give on the website and they carry Delta equipment but won't carry any lathes. I wish they would give a contact person on their website. I looked and couldn't find any. They displayed this thing at the IWF last fall. You would think they would have it on the shelves the next week. I don't understand this marketing. I've been following the development of this lathe for over a year now and I'm still having trouble even finding out where to buy one.
 
I might buy one and I have at least 2 other people in my area who really want one. I have called a couple of the Delta Dealers they give on the website and they carry Delta equipment but won't carry any lathes. I wish they would give a contact person on their website. I looked and couldn't find any. They displayed this thing at the IWF last fall. You would think they would have it on the shelves the next week. I don't understand this marketing. I've been following the development of this lathe for over a year now and I'm still having trouble even finding out where to buy one.

If there is a Rockler store in your area, they are beginning to show up or can be ordered and at the store in 10days to 2 weeks.
 
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Gretch Delta lathes were going down hill but with this new one they actually went out and talked to woodturners about what they want and how the lathe should be set up and what's important. I was in on the early question and answer session. Then they have apparently sent some out for testing with real turners. I think that speaks a lot about what they are trying to do with the company. I looked over the lathe hard at the IWF and it's one sweet machine. I didn't see anything major that needed changing. Unfortunately I did not get to turn on the lathe but my friend Don Russell was demonstrating on it and Don liked it. He is a talented woodworker and turner and I trust him.
 
Micro-review of new 12" Delta Midi Lathe

The last Sunday in April, I was able to turn a small goblet on Rick H's new Delta 12" that he graciously brought up to Ames for members of our turners group to try out. Rick was sent this lathe by Delta to give it a trial period to get feedback and comments about it's features, operation, etc. during a testing period before the lathe actually is sold.

I was impressed with Delta's clear improvements of their new 12" mini/midi over this lathe's predecesor, the LA 200. I actually owned (and recently sold) a virtually new LA200, and as an example of the "downward trend" in the quality of Delta's lathes in recent years, I really never used the LA200 very much. (Note that I do have a Jet 1642-2HP lathe, and 6-speed "stock" Jet Mini [JWL-1014] that I use as a portable laathe for doing demos.) I never liked the tool rest & banjo rigidity/adjustment on the Delta LA 200, as well as it having a tailstock that would often slip along the ways when the quill pressure was applied to a blank (despite REALLY torquing the tailstock locking handle). I also did not like the plastic handles that came standard on this Delta-Midi either; these should be made of metal that does not flex like the plastic handles do. These complaints are not restricted to experience from just one lathe either - I've used 4 different LA200's, and they all suffered from the same set of problems.

On the new 12" Delta lathe, there were some improvements seen in motor size (the 1 HP has plenty of power). The reversing ability, coupled with good range of variable speed will make this a popular machine. The motor operates smoothly over the range of speeds, and seems to have good torque, even at low rpms. The controls are fairly-well situated, however I would be a bit concerned about the speed control knob on the VS model being easily 'bumpable', especially for those turners that like to rest their left arm on the headstock while turning (i.e steadying spindles, turning pens, parting off, etc.). I certainly would have engineered the speed control and reversing switch location differently, or at least would have chosen a different location on the headstock.

I do still feel that Delta could improve on the smoothness of how the banjo and tailstock move; this machine still seemed a bit "rough" in this aspect (....although in fairness, I don't know to what extent this 'pre-release' lathe that Rick has, was sent in completly "finished" form as to smoothness of the ways. Similarly, the machining of the banjo and tailstock castings also may effect the smoothness.) It remains to be seen, with the tools actually being sold, to what degree of smoothness the ways are finished to, and how well the banjo & tailstock slide, yet be able to clamped securely. This is one major area where the LA200 Midi (and the Delta 14" lathe I tried) "fell down" as to quality, at least in my experience.

Also, for me, the banjo and tool rest locking handles were far too short; lengthening these will allow the user to apply some more torque a bit more easily than the current version allows. I have relatively small hands and these handles were too small even for me; I can only imagine what those turners with 'bigger paws' would do (...or couldn't do?) with these handles!

I would recommend people have a closer look at this lathe, given that it is significantly improved over the LA200. I was not ready to spend >$500 for my #3 lathe, just to get a VS version, and recently bought the 6-speed Jet 1220 lathe to replace the Delta LA200 that I just sold - I don't regret buying the Jet 1220 even after seeing the new Delta 12", although if Delta made the improvements I mentioned above, I would consider making the move to Delta for midi-lathes in this size range.

Rob Wallace
 
Rob has a good assessment of the 46-460 overall, but the big difference is power. My first small lathe was a Jet mini and I went for the VS model as my Stuby is VS. Bummer! Although I was able to adapt my turning style to account for my being able to stop the spindle at any speed with my hand, and it is well built otherwise, I really wanted more power. The new Delta VS is a gross improvement in this area, and with an extra two inches swing, allows me to turn bowls larger than peanut size. Although promised one of the new stands and extensions, they haven't come and early last year I built a wood stand to demonstrate with it at our shows - what I'd been using the Jet for. It has performed flawlessly in heat & cold at six of them, two symposiums, two club 'hands on' meetings, and I've religated the Jet to my wife who wants to learn how to turn (it'll be reall hard for her to get hurt by it!).

I saw an entry from someone on a chat board that said they'd bought a VS model at a state symposium somewhere for under $600, but I've not seen that one for sale anywhere for less than $750 to date. Neither Jet, Rikon, nor anyone else has anything that compares to the variable speed 46-460, if you want something that is truly portable yet is a serious lathe.
 
Thanks for the feedback and links. I am toying with the idea of swapping my current mini for one of these and wanted to find out more.
 
Hi Rick or Walt,

I do have a couple of questions that maybe you guys can answer.

1. Does the spindle have a groove for locking the chuck on when you reverse?

2. It that the same live center that most of the mini's have been using for years? I sure would like to see a little better center provided. It seems that there must be a giant warehouse filled with these low quality live centers. 🙂 Maybe they will run out of them soon.

Thanks,

Dave
 
Delta lathe

Yes there is an area for the screw to lock a chuck on for reverse turning. I have not used it, if I snapped the chuck onto the spindle like I nornally do I have not had a problem with it coming loose.
As for the center I think it is the same as many of the lathes use. Even the lock handles Rob said are too short seem to be standard on many of the lathes.

Just in case you wonder how much I have used it, here are a couple of pages to show what I have turned on the belt drive and the VS models.
http://www.scrollsaws.com/deltaBeltlathe.htm

http://www.scrollsaws.com/deltaVSlathe.htm
 
Delta 46-460

I recently took an interest in this new lathe as well. Called up my local Delta dealer to get a price and then thought about it overnight. Next day I called to see if there was stock and was told that Delta upped the price by $100 and that they would not have any available (at least for Canadian market) until sometime in July. I suspect the price will change by then as well.

Steve
 
A fellow named Terry on Sawmill Creek bought one for $600 from his Woodcraft in Kentucky. He also said that his Lowes would order it for $600 as well. However, It looks like they are trickling into the market rather than releasing a decent batch.
None of my normal Atlanta sources - Rockler, Woodcraft, Redmond Machinery, or Highland Woodworking seemed to be ready to sell one at this point. I haven't tried Lowes - I'm in no rush and would like to support a vendor who is more involved in woodturning gear than Lowes is.

One question for those that have used it. Can you stop the spindle by turning the knob all of the way down like I do on my Powermatic? I assume not since the knob starts at 1 instead of 0, but wanted to verify.

Thanks!
 
I recently took an interest in this new lathe as well. Called up my local Delta dealer to get a price and then thought about it overnight. Next day I called to see if there was stock and was told that Delta upped the price by $100 and that they would not have any available (at least for Canadian market) until sometime in July. I suspect the price will change by then as well.

Steve

Steve,

I picked one up a Busy Bee Tools for $679 cdn at their London store (they have store in Edmonton & Calgary). This is a "Father's Day special", regular price $899.

Haven't set it up yet so can't comment except to say it looks good, is solid and good fit and finish. Will post again once its up and running.

Bob
 
This is a post I made a while back comparing the two lathes. I paid about $560 + tax for the Delta and $475 for the Jet. I was just able to purchase a bed extension and stand extension for the Jet for $55 plus shipping (delivery today) and I do not believe that Delta has a bed extension or a stand available yet. And you won't find that Jet deal anymore as it sold out quickly!

Delta 46-460 vs Jet 1220 VS

These are my findings concerning these two lathes:

Both of these lathes are variable speed with the Delta having a 1 HP motor compared to the Jets 3/4 HP motor. The main difference here being that the Delta speed ramping is much smoother than the Jet. The Jet doesn't seem to respond to the first half of the knob being turned to speed up, like you get all the speed ramping in the last half of the movement where the Delta has defined ramping as you turn the knob from one to nine.

The Delta is about two inches taller sitting on the same bench and this allows the motor to be positioned about two inches lower than the Jet, this does allow for easier cleaning of chips off the motor. There is a definite power increase with the 1 HP vs the 3/4 HP, it is noticeable. In my turning with the Delta the motor does get a lot warmer than the Jet, I've literally turned for hours with the Jet and the motor stays cool to the touch. Same with the bearing housing, the Jet runs cooler. This does not mean that there is a problem with the Delta just that after running for a few hours there is a difference between the two as far as heat goes.

The spacing of the bearings in the headstock is a little different as the Delta's bearing spread is 3/8 wider than the Jet. The bed dimentions are similar as far as thickness, spacing, etc. The fit and finish of both are very good and they seem to weigh about the same (Heavy for what is called a mini/midi lathe), around a 100 lbs. The locking mechanisms for belt changing are completely different and here the nod must go to the Delta as it is very easy to change the belt position with this system, just a push/pull arm located inside the belt area that locks and unlocks the system. The Jet has 6 pulley positions and the Delta has 3, the Delta's 3 positions are very wide and the belt is about twice as wide as the Jet's belt.

The locking handles on the Delta are a little longer and a little thicker than those of the Jet but both do their job. Both have 24 detents for indexing but each goes about it in a different manner. The Delta has reversing where the Jet does not. The Delta also has manual reset circuit breaker. The Delta can also be locked with a padlock to prevent its use. One big surprise about the Delta is that there is no parts diagram included in the manual nor was one in the box. Both have a 5 year limited warranty.

Bottom line is that there are now two great choices for someone looking for a mini/midi lathe. Both being able to easily attain bigger projects with less strain. The proof will be in the use over time. If I was pushed in a corner as to which I like best I guess the Delta would have a slight edge out of the box but as I said time will tell. I'm keeping both!!!
 
I bought one last Saturday, thanks go out to Bob H for posting about the BusyBee Tools "sale".
So far I have run it for about an hour and am pretty impressed with the unit. I was afraid that since my main lathe is a Vicmarc VL175SH, I would be disappointed with this little lathe. Not so, for turning smaller items and being very portable (my main reason for buying a second lathe) I think I will be very pleased.
Comments so far:
Machining, fit and finish very good, better than I expected for the price range.
Quiet operation, even at full rpm (compared to my large lathe, not sure how it compares to other small lathes)
Motor is 'sealed' unit and runs cool so far (haven't worked it hard yet).
Motor brakes and brings spindle to a stop very quickly when the lathe is turned off.
Clamping levers for banjo and tailstock are decent length and comfortable to use. Clamping is solid.
Access for moving the belt between pulleys is good. All from the front and the end of the lathe. I have a minor gripe that the motor does not lift high enough to let the belt off fully, but this will likely be ok after it has been run a while and the belt stretches a bit.
Other minor comment is that the toolpost and toolrest look weak. Not saying they are, they just visually look undersized to me.

I think Delta has a winner with this one. Time will tell.

Steve
 
Delta 46-460

I was quoted $439.99 at toolnut a couple weeks ago.

seven corners hardware in St. Paul $499.99
 
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