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Light bulb help

Emiliano Achaval

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I had a pack of old fashioned light bulbs, they lasted me several years. I had to buy a new one. It's so bright that I can't see a shadow! Went back to hardware store and I could not believe they don't sell regular bulbs anymore ! The new one is great, but when you have to see the shadow like on a natural edge, it doesn't work. What do you guys use? I don't want to buy any new ones before I know what to buy, this new types are not cheap! Aloha from Maui.
 
Light!!

Amazing! Thank you for the help! So there is nothing that works as good old fashioned lights? I can't believe ACE hardware stop carrying them... I guess I'm not the first place ne with this problem? Better buy a box before they disappear for ever! Aloha from Maui.
 
I use the small LED gooseneck with a magnetic base.
Fairly bright but I can aim it to show shadows well.

When hollowing a natural edge I face the rim and watch the outside of the wall and the tool edge cut on the inside wall.
With the light in the right spot I can see the wall thickness until I get below the interrupted cut.
Let's me cut with confidence to an even 3/16 or and 1/8" wall because I can see the thickness as I cut.
The right lighting makes it much easier.

On outside cuts you can just use a white background.
A lot of places where I demo have poor lights or good ones that blowout the camera I put a piece of white on the ways and instantly the fluttery edges appear.

Al
 
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Amazing! Thank you for the help! So there is nothing that works as good old fashioned lights? I can't believe ACE hardware stop carrying them... I guess I'm not the first place ne with this problem? Better buy a box before they disappear for ever! Aloha from Maui.

You bet, Emiliano........😀

I can't say with any authority, but I believe the environmental laws in the USA are making the old incandescent bulbs scarce......and, they are still being produced internationally. Once current stock is depleted, they will still likely be available for the unforeseeable future, but only available through alternative sources. If I'm not mistaken, I did see some on the shelves at Walmart recently. I am still working on a personal stash of incandescent bulbs I have on hand that I bought when our government was discussing banning them a few years ago........

ko
 
You bet, Emiliano........😀 I can't say with any authority, but I believe the environmental laws in the USA are making the old incandescent bulbs scarce......and, they are still being produced internationally. Once current stock is depleted, they will still likely be available for the unforeseeable future, but only available through alternative sources. If I'm not mistaken, I did see some on the shelves at Walmart recently. I am still working on a personal stash of incandescent bulbs I have on hand that I bought when our government was discussing banning them a few years ago........ ko

Here is what Wikipedia has to say. Saving energy is what it is all about. I like incandescent as a heat source when we get a freeze.
"Governments around the world have passed measures to phase out incandescent light bulbsfor general lighting in favor of more energy-efficient lighting alternatives. Phase-out regulations effectively ban the manufacture, importation or sale of incandescent light bulbs for general lighting. The regulations would allow sale of future versions of incandescent bulbs if they are sufficiently energy efficient.

Brazil and Venezuela started the controversial phase-out in 2005,[ and the European Union, Switzerland,[1] and Australia[2] started to phase them out in 2009.[3] Likewise, other nations are implementing new energy standards or have scheduled phase-outs: Argentina,[4] and Russia in 2012, and the United States, Canada,[5] Mexico, Malaysia[6] and South Korea in 2014.[7]"

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they phased out our incandescents but the manufacuring of FLD is more expensive and they have mercury in them that they never mention. Not to mention how much more they cost. They also don't last as long as they told us and I had one almost burn my house down. It burned the socket but apparently went out before it could reach the lamp shade or anything else. Personally I think someone got a lot of money out of the deal and it wasn't us. Now LED's are coming down in price and may be a better alternative. I put 9 in my kitchen and so far so good. We'll see.
I like general overall illumination in the shop with small point source lights at the lathe. The smaller the light the more it shows up sanding scratches. Of course if it's too focused it doesn't cover the area very well. I'm currently playing with 2 LED lights. One is the small one that Micheal Hare sells that is similar to what they sell at IKEA but has a really good magnet on the base. The other one is sold by WoodnWonders and is almost too bright. I'm learning to use them both. They are replacing some older incandescents that were great but too hot to use in the summer.
 
I love the LED lights. We decided to just bypass the CFL lights and I imagine that they will fade from the scene just like the incandescent lights that are gradually being phased out. Some specialty incandescent lights will still be around until something better comes along. Here is a link to the type of lights that I got at ACE Hardware. They recently had a sale on them for something like $4 apiece I believe. Anyway, the price is just about equal to incandescent lights and so far I haven't had any to fail yet after a couple years of use even though many of our lights stay on all day long and some are on all the time. There are some satisfactory CFL lights, but they all seem to produce unnatural color and they don't seem to last much longer than regular incandescent lights.
 
John, sometimes IKEA will have the goose-neck LED lights for around $11 and you can get a magnetic base at Ace Hardware for about $4, so a total of $15 for what I have seen advertised to woodturners for around $30.

I guess that you meant CFL. The bulbs are marked as containing mercury, as does any fluorescent light. Even though the amount of mercury is extremely small when you add together all the light bulbs disposed in a landfill, it's no longer trivial. Most places have recycling centers, but some rural counties here still don't have any sort of recycling.
 
I do like the LED and some of the flourescent bulbs. My local Ace hardware store will recycle both. For the old bulbs, make sure to get 'rough duty' bulbs. The regular ones seem to self destruct in a week or two, which may have been due to my heavy roughing style. The rough duty ones would go for a very long time, and could take a fall into the shavings several times...

robo hippy
 
I am now using CFL bulbs at both my 8" and 6" grinders....(the "spiral" bulbs) Regular incandescent bulbs can't survive much high intensity vibrations and tend to break at the filament. There are also a couple of LED bulbs at my 8" grinder for close-up grinding of my lathe tools. I haven't tried the new LED bulbs for this application using the old fashioned bulb screw in sockets, but am sure others can tell us how well the LEDs work for this application. I'm still using two regular incandescent bulbs on top of the headstock, and they last a long time there. Above the lathe is two 4' fluorescent bulbs. The combination of fluorescent and incandescent seems to work well for seeing imperfections in my turnings.

ko
 
I can't say with any authority, but I believe the environmental laws in the USA are making the old incandescent bulbs scarce......and, they are still being produced internationally. Once current stock is depleted

Incandescents are still available on Amazon.com. With the threat of their eventual scarcity I bought a lifetime supply, now stored in a tub in my barn loft. There are certain things for which I prefer incandescents.

One tip - if you buy 130 volt bulbs instead of 120 volt incandescent bulbs they will be every so slightly dimmer but will last MUCH longer at typical residential circuit voltages.

For the lathe I always work with several bulbs on swing-arm or gooseneck fixtures that I can position easily. These bulbs are a mix of LED, CFL, and incandescent. Since the individual sources are relatively small they act more like point sources and make it FAR easier to see and judge compound curves and see small turning defects.

The worst lighting for a lathe, in my opinion, is a wide, diffuse light such as indirect lighting or several long fluorescent fixtures mounted high on the ceiling. The diffuse light "flattens" the view of the turning and makes it harder to see the curves and the defects. (I do have bright fluorescent fixtures on the ceiling over the lathe but I wired them on a separate switch and don't turn them on when woodturning.) Diffuse light is especially good at hiding ripples and scratches. I suspect that is one reason we sometimes see these defects in otherwise nicely done woodturnings.

JKJ

JKJ
 
I'm fond of rough service bulbs, 100 watt. To my eyes, it's a warmer light on the lathe. I buy them from Amazon, since my local hardware store stopped carrying them.

At 10 cents a kilowatt, the bulb on my lathe costs a penny an hour to run.

There is always the fire danger, at least in theory, the bulb gets pretty warm on the Moffat gooseneck light attached to my lathe. It's usually the big wet shavings that fly high, for me at least, but something to consider.

When turning green alder, the sap hits the bulb and reminds me of the delicious smell of king salmon being smoked on an alder fire.
 
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Its hard to break a habit, I have been using a old fashioned bulb for 20 years, found the lamp in the trash when I helped my step son move, fixed it and still going strong...
Thanks for the comments. Aloha
 
130 volt?

"One tip - if you buy 130 volt bulbs instead of 120 volt incandescent bulbs they will be every so slightly dimmer but will last MUCH longer at typical residential circuit voltages."



I don't think I have seen these before. Where do you find 130 volt light bulbs?
 
"One tip - if you buy 130 volt bulbs instead of 120 volt incandescent bulbs they will be every so slightly dimmer but will last MUCH longer at typical residential circuit voltages."



I don't think I have seen these before. Where do you find 130 volt light bulbs?

It's just another name for names such as extended life bulbs, rough service bulbs, garage door opener bulbs, and other similar names. Basically, the bulbs have a heavier filament to make them less fragile. The downside, as you pointed out, is less brightness for the same amount of power consumed by a regular bulb. The 130 volt designation is mostly a marketing strategy that ignores a few "minor details" where the implied message says if you actually did use 130 volts the brightness would be equal to the standard bulb.
 
A Bit of Trivia About Light Bulbs . . . .

Why Light Bulbs Wear Out

As a young engineer a "few" years ago, I did some investigating on light bulb failures as part of a project for aircraft cockpit warning lights. As one might guess, the lights needed to be rugged and long lasting. My focus was on understanding the characteristics that determine the way that incandescent lights wear and eventually fail.

It turns out that the failure mechanism was the same for regular tungsten light bulbs that are filled with an inert gas and similar tungsten light bulbs that also have a small amount of gas in the halogen series (bromine or iodine, for example), and also the same as the filament wearing out in antique evacuated light bulbs which have a hard vacuum. There are always some water molecules that are chemically bonded to the tungsten filament. When sufficient electrical current is passed through the tungsten filament, it gets hot enough to glow ... and the more current the brighter it gets. Light bulbs are heated to a bright white while some of the antique vacuum light bulbs were heated to a bright yellow. In either case the water molecules that were trapped in the tungsten boils off and becomes water gas molecules. In the process, some of the super heated tungsten molecules are carried off as they become attached to the water molecules.

When a light bulb is turned off, it cools down and the water molecules mostly are absorbed back into the tungsten filament, but some condenses on the interior of the glass. When a water molecule with an attached tungsten molecule deposits on the glass, it eventually reaches a point where you begin to see a silvery black color, mostly near the neck of the bulb where it is the coolest. This phenomenon is known as the "water cycle". The water cycle is responsible for the filament wearing out as tungsten material gradually erodes away from the filament and onto the interior of the glass surface.

By the way, it was discovered many years ago that adding a small amount of gas in the halogen series of the periodic table slows down the process of the filament eroding away by causing more of the tungsten to be redeposited back onto the filament wire when the light is turned off.

If a filament is examined under a microscope as it wears out, it can be seen that the original smooth surface begins to take on a saw-tooth appearance. The saw-tooth shape of the filament means that there will be hot spots where the filament is the thinnest so this is sort of an avalanche effect that once started, can't be stopped. The filament reaches the point where it becomes very fragile at these narrow points and the thermal shock when the light is turned on will eventually cause the filament to fail ... usually going out in a blaze of glory, so to speak.

The culprit turns out to be the least expected suspect ... water ... plain old simple H[SUB]2[/SUB]O. The same old seemingly benign H[SUB]2[/SUB]O that created the Grand Canyon and is a participant in causing wood to split when it evaporates. 🙄
 
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I find 130 volt bulbs at Big Lots. I worked in sales at a lighting gallery and we sold the Satco brand of bulbs; also 130 volt. Here in the TVA country we are subject to voltage spikes. We have the Curly Q fluorescent bulbs in several fixtures in the house. They say you save money but I looked in my wallet and haven't found it yet. My shop has 4 ft. fluorescentfixtures in it.
 
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