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Lathe & Morse lathe

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Hi, all. I have recently aquired a Lathe & Morse Tool Co. lathe. I'd love to find out more about it. I've already inquired over at OWWM and SMC, and have gotten some answers, but thought I'd dig here, too. Anyone know much about them? What I have found out so far is that lathes were made by and under that name from 1871-1891. So this great piece is 120-140 years old. Now, it has also been brought to my attention that is may have originally been a metal lathe. But someone has done a lot to make it into a wood lathe.

As much as the cool factor is driving me to keep this, I may have to sell it. But will likely do some sort of restore beforehand. This is not an ad for selling the lathe. I just want to make that clear so that everyone reading this understands my intentions and hopefully, that will keep the suggestions of use to a minimum. I would LOVE to keep it, but just don't have the room for it. I rescued it from likely being thrown away or going to scrap for $50 cash. I've even contemplated making it into a livingroom wall table...for a great conversation piece, but just don't have the room in the house either.

Dimensions are as follows: Floor to top of bed 37" (without the wheels), distance between centers 36", 12" swing (but it looks like the plate that the spindle is mounted to could be flipped making the swing 14-15", but that would require a riser for the tailstock). The motor (two came with it, one really old, and one newer 1/3 hp) isn't mounted and the plate where the motor is supposed to mount seems, well, a funky way to do it.

Along with the lathe came 4 boxes of "extras"...the motors were in one box, parts in the other three. In one of the pics of parts, there is a 3 step pulley for a straight belt. And next to it are what look like three spindles. Here are some pics of the lathe and the extras.

Any info on the lathe and/or the parts would be appreciated.
 

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And a couple more pics of parts... Thanks
 

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It is very likely that the lathe originally was not electrically powered. It was not until the late 1880's that practical electric motors first began to be available. The first practical design that was actually used in industry was made by Sprague and was a DC motor. Very soon after that, Tesla, came out with an AC motor. Those early motors were horribly inefficient and terribly expensive. They would have only been used in manufacturing in areas where electric power was available -- which was not many areas.
 
old lathe

My Thayer, Houghton & co lathe was belt powered by a unknow force. You might try Vintage Machinery or Practical Machinist sites for information.

Ed
 
A lot of factories in the 1800's had water or steam powered shafts running overhead through the buildings (later IC engines were also used). Sheaves and long flat leather belts were used to take off power for individual machines. From pictures that I have seen, there was no such thing as belt guards -- probably because the way to turn a machine off was to release the belt. 😀
 
Thanks, Bill and jarvis89. Somehow, I didn't get a notification that there were responses to my thread...

I appreciate your input. 🙂

jarvis89, I've already done the vintage machinery thing (same place as OWWM), but just may check out Practical Machinist. Thanks for the suggestion.

Bill, you are most likely right about the leather belt thing. There is a flat belt step pulley among the extras I got. And I believe that the spindle it goes onto, would be open from above. I'll keep researching...

Thanks, again.
 
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Standard factory operation for multiple machines was wide belts and idlers to engage/disengage. Power for a lathe, unless it was an apprentice powering, wasn't portable. Nor was a lathe that big!

Wondering if the huge sheave up top doesn't indicate that this thing was used for some sort of line-boring operation once it was electrified. Most of the accessories, including all I can see with some patina, are for metal work.

Imagine you'll want to pour new bearings from the git-go. Not a difficult thing to do. http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/babbet/babbet.html I don't see oil cups, something I would expect to see, so you'll either oil often or put some on to oil continuously. You can search with the proper spelling and get videos, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrMEwTAmVPA

What are you going to call your lathe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGsj2FUxtMY&feature=related
 
A lot of factories in the 1800's had water or steam powered shafts running overhead through the buildings (later IC engines were also used). Sheaves and long flat leather belts were used to take off power for individual machines. From pictures that I have seen, there was no such thing as belt guards -- probably because the way to turn a machine off was to release the belt. 😀

When I was in high school, we had machine shops where the machines were powered by belts and line shafts. There were no belt covers. You turned off the lathe (or whatever) by using a long wooden handle that pushed the belt from the drive pulley to an idler pulley on the line shaft.
 
Michael, thanks for the info and links. That is one COOL shop! I would love to be able to contact whoever that is in the video with that old lathe. He might be of huge help... But I don't see any way to contact a youtube video poster. Anyway, very cool to see how my lathe was probably run originally.
 
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