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Lacquer thinner-- works like alcohol?

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Howdy,
Got a trial that I'm doing for my own personal interest that I'll share with you probably later next week, but here's the idea.

Since our shop has one gallon of denatured alcohol, but 20 gallons of cheap cleaner grade lacquer thinner, and the lt is about half the price ($25 for 5 gallons vs. $50 for 5 of alc), guess which one I tried?

I have no reason to try it other than it's as thin or thinner than alc and stinks about as bad, is much more flammable, causes more dain bramage, etc... but hey, it's cheaper. Cheaper is better right?


Anyhow, I did four turnings today, 3 from Crepe Myrtle and one from Black Locust (just what I had laying around). All were from green wood and turned as end-grain bowls. Three of them were Crepe Myrtle 4" bowls turned to about 3/8 thickness, three or so inches tall. Coated one with standard paste wax (heavily), one with danish oil (three coats) and soaked one in lac thinner for 3 hours and set out to dry beside the other two.

The black locust I turned into a 6 inch wide, 4 inch deep, 3/8 thick and soaked only in lac thin for 3 hours (went to the movies and watched War of the Worlds, pretty creepy movie, leave the kids at home).

Letting them all air dry in the apartment, where the air is quite arid. In the past I've had a problem with checks and such in green wood turned to around 3/8, so we'll see which prevents checks the most.
 
Polar and non-polar solvents just don't mix well, and toluene is non-polar, the ketones semi-polar. Seems to me like an experiment worthy of early conclusion, especially given the flammability of lacquer thinner.

Your results will reflect the shape and suitability of the wood, not the soak. At 3/8" thick, you almost have to abuse wood to get it to crack.

Wouldn't happen to have a hygrometer handy to make your results semi-meaningful, would you? Difficult for others to reproduce "arid," should they care to.
 
Toluene MSDS

Gentlemen,

Any substance that "...can defat the skin..." is one that I would prefer to stay away from. Below is an exerpt from the MSDS for toluene.

FYI,
-Allen

MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET



TOLUENE

MSDS No. 11699000 ANSI/ENGLISH

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1.0 CHEMICAL PRODUCT AND COMPANY IDENTIFICATION

PRODUCT NAME: TOLUENE




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2.0 COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS


Component CAS# Range % by Wt. Toluene 108-88-3 80 C9 Isoparaffins 9 C8 Isoparaffins 5 Benzene 71-43-2 2 Xylenes 2 Ethylbenzene 100-41-4 2 (See Section 8.0, "Exposure Controls/Personal Protection", for exposure guidelines)






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3.0 HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION

EMERGENCY OVERVIEW: Warning! Flammable. Causes eye irritation. Prolonged or repeated contact can defat the skin and lead to irritation and/or dermatitis. Inhalation causes headaches, dizziness, drowsiness, nausea, and respiratory irritation. If swallowed, causes headaches, dizziness, drowsiness and nausea, and may lead to unconsciousness. Harmful or fatal if liquid is aspirated into lungs. Danger! Contains Benzene. Cancer hazard. Can cause blood disorders. Harmful when absorbed through the skin.

POTENTIAL HEALTH EFFECTS:

EYE CONTACT: Causes mild eye irritation.

SKIN CONTACT: Prolonged or repeated contact can defat the skin and lead to irritation and/or dermatitis. Harmful when absorbed through the skin. Cancer hazard. Can cause blood disorders.

INHALATION: Inhalation causes headaches, dizziness, drowsiness, nausea, and respiratory irritation. See "Toxicological Information" section (Section 11.0).

INGESTION: If swallowed, causes headaches, dizziness, drowsiness and nausea, and may lead to unconsciousness. Harmful or fatal if liquid is aspirated into lungs.

HMIS CODE: (Health:2) (Flammability:3) (Reactivity:0)

NFPA CODE: (Health:2) (Flammability:3) (Reactivity:0)
 
Allen Alexopulos said:
INGESTION: If swallowed, causes headaches, dizziness, drowsiness and nausea, and may lead to unconsciousness. Harmful or fatal if liquid is aspirated into lungs.

HMMM

Sounds a lot like high grade vodka 😀

M
 
Considering that one of the pieces actually checked in the bottom while still in the thinner, I'd say it was displacing water. I could be wrong, though.

I wasn't aware that lacquer thinner contained toluene.

As far as a hygrometer, no I don't have one (though I'd like to), but I have a 40 gallon saltwater aquarium that evaporates 1/2+ inch of water per day at a constant 72-74F, the dimensions are 36X12 inches, water at a specific gravity of 1.024. Perhaps there's a way to figure it out from there, lol.
 
Mark Mandell said:
HMMM

Sounds a lot like high grade vodka 😀

M

Check the term "huffing," and you'll come up with something else besides a grin. One of the most commonly abused chemicals among the younger set, and a horribly effective one. Probably eats up the brain faster than vodka.
 
MMMMMMM. Toluene..... I have a glass every morning with my cereal. Keeps it crisp. Probably explains alot about me too.

Bad stuff. Wouldn't recommend drying your blanks inside. Lots and lots and lots of ventilation needed.

Dietrich
 
Red,

Huffing, sniffing, bagging, snorting and similar ways, means, and forms of substance abuse by children of all ages aside, have seen this raised before with regard to lacquer thinner as well as mineral spirits and naptha. The response, from those who were and still are far more informed than I, was that it doesn't work because these other solvents do not have alcohol's capacity to be "misable" with water. It's not a question of displacing or replacing the water with something else, but rather mixing with and drawing it out that is alcohol's "alleged" unique ability.

I'm sure that are other chemicals with varying degrees of affinity for water, hence the whole Pentacryl and "Liquid Dish Detergent" [surfactants] craze that wiped the shelves on Costco's cleaning products isle, but anyone who is loading up to correct me for my lack of information on the bio-chemical properties of anything can save the bandwidth; I don't care. Just go do some tests if you like, annotate and document your hands-on research, including the cost/benefit analysis, and feel free to publish your data in words of 2 syllables or less that those of us that passed chemistry by the skin of our teeth 40+ years ago can understand. Noting all the while, of course, that since I refer to "tooth skin," it's highly unlikely that I either took or did very well in biology either.

[Good suggestion to dry those LT items OUTside!]

M
 
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