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How to turn endgrain wood

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Hello
I am just learning to turn.After I get some experiance I want to turn endgrain.So far everything I have read on turning requires you to cut out the pith.Can anyone give me an idea on how to prepare or keep the bowl from splitting when turning this way?Would normal sealing help solve this problem?All help will be greatly appreciated.
Ken
 
A great addition to anyone's woodturning library would be Turning Green Wood from Michael O'Donnell ISBN 1861080891. In addition to that is anything you can find on turning green wood. Pith is what you make of it, as long as you understand how that species is going to react, shrink and in what direction and the percentage, you can compensate for it. I don't design around anything for the most part but existing cracks (and maybe defects).

Normally, in a bowl, you would turn it green to 10% it's diameter, dry (by your favorite method) then turn the wood when dry. Dry is a combination of the elements, conditions, and weight. If you don't have time, all bets are off, and you find a faster drying method. Most of us will dry by months (air dry) and weight. When it stop loosing appreciable weight in a week or so, it has reached the equilibrium moisture content for your area and you finish turning.

All of this assumes you want a round object and not an ovalized one.
 
I have on hand approx. 20 small vases I turned from Bradford Pear all end grain. It is turned thin and wet. Pear has a very small Pit. This pit is super glued and will resist cracking. Distoration is less in end grain turning. I suggest you get some small branches and give it a go. After tuning the wood is sealed with Deft Clear Wood finish and put in a sack along with a hand full of shavings. Inspect the wood frequently and if you see any signs of cracking super glue those. GT
 
Don't have to buy this information, and it's well-documented stuff, too. http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/ Download the wood handbook and/or use the search to answer most questions about the behavior of wood.

As far as leaving the pith in endgrain turnings, there are some woods like elm, aspen, or some yellow birch that are virtually bullet-proof when drying, because they grow with reversals in the grain direction. Treat them with less than outright abuse, and you'll survive them. Others like soft maple come with obvious or less-than-obvious checks built in already, and are difficult to survive without extra measures like soaking some CA in the cracks and perhaps sacrifice of a chicken at the dark of the moon. Which is to say dumb luck, regardless of other measures.

Use your knowledge of wood to advantage, and remember that the wood is trying to lose diameter, which means it will lose circumference or split as it does. Put your pith at the bottom of a "U" shape cut as thin as you care so that the length of fiber in continuous contact with other fiber is minimized. Since shrinkage, as politics, is local, you will relieve a lot of the radial stress by allowing the outside to contract into a space rather than itself. I even undercut the bottom of a goblet to take advantage of the space.

Remember that end grain dries at a rate ten times faster than face grain, and keep it open to the air. When I quit leaving things standing on their own base so the top would dry while the underside stayed wet, I gained a much greater rate of success. Doesn't take much, just a couple of parallel sticks with the gap between allowing the bottom to dry at the same rate as the top.
 
Remember, if you turn a bowl endgrain, the bottom of the bowl will be all short wood fibers and will be weak. That's why most bowls are turned side-grain.
Very generally speaking, a successfull end-grain turning is longer than it is wide. On a lidded box, or a vase, for example, the bottom is the weakest area if it's flat or near so. A conical shaped bottom has longer fibers to support each other--the same goes for the top end of a narrow-mouthed vase which tapers in towards the opening. I don't necessarily mean a straight cone shape, it may have curve to it to be more pleasing to the eye.
Of course, rules are made to be broken, and some woods are much better held together than others. Elm, for example, has an interlocking grain structure and is a good one for a rule-breaking experiment.
 
kengrunke said:
Remember, if you turn a bowl endgrain, the bottom of the bowl will be all short wood fibers and will be weak. That's why most bowls are turned side-grain.

Like bread with the jam side down, a bowl turned across the grain will land on the end grain portion and shatter anyway.

Bumped a shelf of rough-cuts while I was sweeping the chimney through the cleanout, dropping a 16x7 inch cherry bowl cut about an inch thick from a height of perhaps four feet. Didn't have to look before cursing, the sound of the split was obvious.
 
Thanks for all the advice.As a new turner I really appreciate it.Here is something I saw this week while traveling.I went to this craft shop and was admiring some beautifull endgrain turnings and I noticed the bottoms of all his bowls had epoxy on them,just the bottoms.So I got his number and found out that is what he has been doing for years.Has anybody heard of this procedure?
Ken
 
woodsmanplus said:
Thanks for all the advice.As a new turner I really appreciate it.Here is something I saw this week while traveling.I went to this craft shop and was admiring some beautifull endgrain turnings and I noticed the bottoms of all his bowls had epoxy on them,just the bottoms.So I got his number and found out that is what he has been doing for years.Has anybody heard of this procedure?
Ken

Same purpose, different plastic. CA, as I mentioned above, is often used to the same end. It can flow into preexisting cracks a lot easier however, one thing which makes it handier to use. The epoxy penetrates less, occludes more, slowing the drying of the interior.
 
Thanks,thats what I thought as I have used both quite a bit.My concern was the epoxy coming loose from the wood in bowls or platters,bacause as you stated it doesn't penetrate as well as ca.I use it to fill in voids in some of my burl wood that I use to make my jewelry boxes with and it works great for that,but then there is little or no movement in that wood.
Thanks again
Ken
 
I recently used slow-set epoxy to strengthen the pith of an endgrain vase, it worked very well. The vase is cone-shaped, with a small bottom end in the inside and that was kind of ragged. So I gobbed the epoxy down in there, then wiped it up the sides a little to blend it in with the surface. It set nice and clear, with a nice concave shape in the bottom.
Epoxy adhesives and finishes are tough and will penetrate good enough, but the wood should be dry--moisture will weaken the bond. The opposite is true of CA, moisture acts as an accelerator and CA is quite brittle--it might crack and/or pop out after a few years.
 
I have had luck using epoxy. After the epoxy is mixed I put denatured alcohol in it till it has the consistancy of milk. Paint it on and the DNA soaks the epoxy in. The DNA dries out leaving the epoxy. I am a new turner myself and learned this from a old turner who has been turning for about 35 yrs. I did a couple of vases and they are holding well so far.

Bernie
 
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