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Generic varnish and home made finishes

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I like using home made finishes as I work in low volume - it is a lot cheaper to mix only what is needed. The one commercial finish I've used for years is Waterlox - and I do have my way around the loss of that. I have a tall narrow apothecary "jar" that seals tight and holds about a cup, when I pour some out I pour water into the "jar" as it doesn't mix and is heavier than the finish. When the jar is low on finish I siphon out the water and refill the jar from the Waterlox can, then top off the can with Bloxygen. Bloxygen is expensive, this reduces the use.

Recently I decided to try Alan Lacer's mix of varnish, Tung oil, and linseed oil. I like the results. The problem is the varnish - that recommended in his book is not available in its old form. I did my research and came up with the best substitute I could (McCloskey's MOW gloss spar varnish). Made a small batch (about 60 ml in my 80 ml apothecary jars), but also put 60 ml in another jar so I didn't have to try to pour from the quart can for the next batch - it's hard to aim a quart sized paint can at a measuring device (what the heck do you call them graduated cylinders - oops, that's it, graduated cylinders).

My mixture is holding up nicely, shake it and its ready. My varnish, in the unmixed form, has sealed itself in the jar. My question is this - if the varnish has reacted with the air in the jar to make a surface coat (which it has, I can turn the jar upside down and nothing moves) has the varnish underneath the solidified varnish deteriorated? Can I just break the "seal" and pour out the underlying varnish (strained, of course) for my next batch of my mixture? The small loss of the varnish that makes the seal is not a problem as long at the underlying layer is still good. The same applies to the quart can (which I haven't dared to open - I don't want to know <g>).

BTW. I mention the apothecary bottles/jars. I get them at Michael's Crafts for my mixtures at about $1.50 to $3.00 apiece as they seal tightly without a screw top. I got tired of having to go to the pliers or wrench or rubber top opener for sticky finishes.
 
You may be able to use something like a Lab wash bottle to hold the finish. The tube draws from the bottom so that the top skin does not matter as much.
Adding some marbles to bring the level up to the top to remove as much air as possible is also a tactic.
Wash bottles
 
Good answer Mark, but not my current problem. The finish I'm making is not forming a top surface, the combination of varnish, boiled linseed oil, and Tung oil (in small quantity) remixes easily with a bit of a shake/swirl. Marbles are a good idea for a water soluble finish, didn't think of that - but I don't have a water soluble finish. My Waterlox I handle by using water in the same way you suggest the marbles.

My question here is the integrity of the varnish that has formed a top surface. Varnish is a mixture of things - solvents and resins or whatever - does a generic varnish (i.e., a simple one) lose its characteristics on the shelf once opened? Is the surface skim from only a component of the simple varnish - so that the rest of the mixture is changing - or can one use that varnish in making new finishes for a period of time. I'm speaking of months, not years - I use small bottles and change my mixtures often. The spar varnish is a base, just as my home made shellac is a base, for various finishes. I know how long my shellac base lasts, I just don't know about the varnish.

Come to think of it, is there anyone on our forum who can tell me how to make a generic varnish from scratch from available components?
 
Keeping the VOC's in the mix and air out keeps the polymerization in check, the curing of the finish in the bottle.
Once it is mixed up, depending on the ingredients, the timer starts.
I have found that the homemade finishes I have mixed up seem to require longer and longer cure times as they age.
The mixes are similar to what you mention.
I ended up making small batches, that once applied to the available pieces, gets disposed.
The problem then is keeping the component ingredients 'fresh'.
Some of the parts, varnish for instance, come in a fairly expensive quart that I really need very little of for the mix.
Not giving up on the homebrews yet, but I save them for a special piece or group of pieces so I can get the most use from the materials..
 
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