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Evolution of an idea......looking for a suggestion

Odie

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This evening, I was working on a nice maple burl bowl and got to a spot on the interior that had a very slight tear-out at one particular spot. On the outside of a bowl, it's pretty easy to take a black felt tip pen and put a mark on the tool rest. This makes it easy to identify the small area of concern once the bowl is spinning on the lathe.

On the inside, however, it's not as easy as the outside.....particularly if the walls of your bowl change directions sharply as with some inward slanting bowl walls. This means you will be supporting your lathe tool at a greater distance from the cut as some of us might like. It also means that identifying a particular spot of concern isn't as easy as putting a mark on your tool rest. You can use your best judgement and cut accordingly.....but quite often you will not hit the spot you intend exactly.

Weeeellllll, I had this nutty idea that I could use a fixed laser pointer to indicate the spot while the bowl is spinning on the lathe.

To make a long story short, I made up the laser pointer mounted to a wooden adapter, attached to a welding rod encased in an old piece of rubber tubing. The other end is attached to a strong magnet which attaches to the lathe itself. (see pictures below)

My fellow lathe turners......this idea works beautifully, and I can see this is something I will want to incorporate into my technique permanently! There is no guesswork, and the exact spot of concern is identified positively......nails it! There will be no more incorrect guesses on exact location while the lathe is running.

Now, the only trouble with the mount I made is it isn't as steady as I'd like. It's good enough for experimental purposes, but I need to improve on this idea. What I'm doing is taking the lamp and moving it to make contact with the laser pointer. Although this works, it isn't good enough. I need something removable, and solidly based.

An articulated arm, like seen on some industrial lamps would probably work nicely, but I sure don't want to buy one of these lamps just to get the articulating arm. Anything like that available elsewhere?

Your ideas and comments are welcome.

ooc
 

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Hmm, I generally just mark it with a pencil, just stop the lathe hold the pencil on the offending area and spin the lathe by hand, marking a full circle on the bowl.
 
Odie Sounds like a good tip for the Journal. If your interested send it to me with a good photo and I'll edit it if necessary and send it to Betty.
I would buy a cheap magnetic base for mounting measuring tools. Grizzly has a wide variety.
http://www.grizzly.com/products/searchresults.aspx?q=magnetic base

Thanks for the link, John.......

That may be the way I'll have to go on this........but, one of those magnetic measuring bases might need to be modified to work.

The problem is putting the darn thing in a location that doesn't get in the way! It looks to me like anywhere in front of the bowl isn't going to work very well. I may need to mount a magnetic base on the headstock and come over the top of the bowl to position the laser pointer.

If I did come over the top like that, one of the arms might need to be extended in order to make it work.....I didn't see any specifications on the length of the existing arms for the base I was looking at. Lengthening one of the arms is certainly "do-able".

Well anyway.......thanks for the thought. Let me think about this a little more. I might play around with the idea of just making up an articulated arm completely custom built.

In the mean time, I have something that does work, but needs improvement......and, I can't express how happy I am over how well this works. Just point the laser dot at the spot in question while stationary. When the lathe is running and you are in the process of cutting, it's very easy to see where your cut is in relation to the laser dot.

This is something that has required a certain amount of guesswork in the past......and it sure was aggravating to make a cut, only to discover you've guessed wrong and removed wood where unnecessary.

I have these two photos.....can you use either of them? Just explain that the idea isn't in the final conception......just playing around with it at this point......needs to be solidly mounted. You can do your own write-up, or use what I've said in these posts.....makes no difference to me.....just tell them you got this information from a friend!

thanks

ooc
 
Hmm, I generally just mark it with a pencil, just stop the lathe hold the pencil on the offending area and spin the lathe by hand, marking a full circle on the bowl.

You know, hughie.....I've done that, as probably has many others here......But there is a problem with it. The pencil mark is gone the moment you cut it away......no longer useful as a reference when it's not there.

Since a refined finish cut requires multiple fluff producing passes with an extremely sharp edge, the moment you hit the pencil mark the first time.....you're back to square one! 😉

ooc
 
Odie,
Interesting idea, my Lathe lights from MSC (mscdirect.com) have something called “snap-flow†or “snap-loc†as the arm, when I goggled it I found http://www.modularhose.com/Loc-Line.htm this site might help or give you more ideas. The lights I have are easy to adjust (one handed), do not shift due to vibration (so far) and have no “spring backâ€. I know it sounds like an advertisement but it’s not, I just think the arm material might fit the bill, so to speak…
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Odie,
Interesting idea, my Lathe lights from MSC (mscdirect.com) have something called “snap-flow†or “snap-loc†as the arm, when I goggled it I found http://www.modularhose.com/Loc-Line.htm this site might help or give you more ideas. The lights I have are easy to adjust (one handed), do not shift due to vibration (so far) and have no “spring backâ€. I know it sounds like an advertisement but it’s not, I just think the arm material might fit the bill, so to speak…
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Clifton..........

That is a great idea!

Thanks for contributing to this thread.

As a matter of fact, I use the Loc-line system for coolant distribution on the grinding machine I operate at work! It's a very good way of directing the coolant flow that is quickly adjustable and stays put. I assume your light is held by the same principle of interlocking pieces. Some of those intended for coolant might be just the ticket for holding my laser light.

I'll definitely be putting that on the list of things for serious consideration.......:cool2:

ooc
 
Sometimes it amazes me how dense I can be!

I just went out to the shop and fixed the problem in about 30 minutes! I was on the right track all along, just needed to shorten the arm and locate the magnet on top of the headstock.

It's fully adjustable and I'm satisfied this will work well.......on and off easily, adjusts quickly, stays put.

I've been needing something like this since the beginning of time!.......now, just one more lathe problem solved.

Thanks to John and Clifton, without who I may not have been inspired to think this through to the final version so quickly.......

Sure is nice to come up with solutions without spending any money. Everything, including the laser pointer and magnet base were things already on hand.


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I may make this up to be a "odies crazy idea" for the tips and tricks forum........need to use it for awhile before I do, though.......
 
Whoops.......forgot to show you guys a pic of the final version:

Later, my cyber friends......

ooc
 

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Well, I didn't want to spend any more money either, so I hose clamped my spare laser to my lathe light, easy to aim, light and laser pointed where I want them and vibrations minimum, as by the time I need the laser, the piece is quite balanced. What a good idea. Bravo Zulu Odie.
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"Off the wall....."

Odie:

Why do the laser and mount need to be attached to the lathe? Doing so imparts vibration regardless of where it is attached to the machine.....

Couldn't you mount it to the wall behind your lathe and aim the beam inward to the desired spot in the bowl? - No vibration; nothing to get in the way?

Just a thought...

Rob Wallace
 
Well, I didn't want to spend any more money either, so I hose clamped my spare laser to my lathe light, easy to aim, light and laser pointed where I want them and vibrations minimum, as by the time I need the laser, the piece is quite balanced. What a good idea. Bravo Zulu Odie.
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Clifton......that'll work! (I think!)

Although I haven't tried it, my initial thinking was the light beam would have to be pointing downward because upward would interfere with my arms and lathe tool........let us know how that works out for you.

ooc
 
Odie:

Why do the laser and mount need to be attached to the lathe? Doing so imparts vibration regardless of where it is attached to the machine.....

Couldn't you mount it to the wall behind your lathe and aim the beam inward to the desired spot in the bowl? - No vibration; nothing to get in the way?

Just a thought...

Rob Wallace

Hello Rob......

No reason not to mount on the wall, with the possible exception of keeping the arm as short as possible. Could be mounted from above, for all that matter, as well.

As Clifton mentioned in an earlier post, by the time the bowl gets down to final tool work, it's pretty much in balance at that point.....so, I'm pretty sure the vibration thing will always be under control. This contraption needs to be used more than I have at this point. Who knows what I'll think about it after some more extensive use......?

I'm thinking this mounted laser pointer will do what I had envisioned.....as it stands right now. So, if everything looks to be a go, I'll probably not be too interested in further modifications......

Thanks for your input, as well as the others that contributed.

ooc
 
Laser/Internal Lighting

All great solutions to a problem. Attached is a photo of a product that is (was?) commercially available. I bought it at the AAW Symposium in Pasadena so it may be gone from the marketplace by now. It is basically a magnetic based gooseneck microphone stand. There is an additional clip with a microphone threading. Back in those days, laser pointers weren't the throw away inexpensive items they are today. The laser supplied is a more industrial version that not only has a laser pointer but also has an LED lighting array that can be used for lighting dim areas, external or internal. I've included in the picture the LED lights available from Harbor Freight for 2.99 for two of them including the batteries. Lots of good solutions above that will let you have a mechanism to hold an indicator. I may make some more of these using a magnetic base, gooseneck lamp, and an adapter to hold the inexpensive lamps and/or laser pointers.
 

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Hmm, I generally just mark it with a pencil, just stop the lathe hold the pencil on the offending area and spin the lathe by hand, marking a full circle on the bowl.

Go to the Art store and get some 9B pencils, very soft and dark.
 
Odie hit the flea mkt and buy a lightweight stand of somesort. I find old light stands or music stands all the time for very little. You can put these anywhere you want and any height and not being attached to the lathe they won't vibrate.
I ran into the vibration problem when trying to mount a microscope to the lathe for my miniature turning. I had a woodend adjustable stand I built for another purpose. I adapted it to the microscope. Sitting on the floor it is very solid and easily positioned just about anywhere. I put it on the back side of the lathe so it doesn't interfere with my feet.
 
Odie hit the flea mkt and buy a lightweight stand of somesort. I find old light stands or music stands all the time for very little. You can put these anywhere you want and any height and not being attached to the lathe they won't vibrate.
I ran into the vibration problem when trying to mount a microscope to the lathe for my miniature turning. I had a woodend adjustable stand I built for another purpose. I adapted it to the microscope. Sitting on the floor it is very solid and easily positioned just about anywhere. I put it on the back side of the lathe so it doesn't interfere with my feet.

Thanks John, but so far so good.....vibration isn't a problem with my current set-up. The reasons why were explained in a previous post. Don't see the need to change this unless circumstances change somewhere down the road......not for-seeing that, at any rate.

Say, just wondering if the headband with magnifying lens might help you out with your miniature turnings.....? It's called Optivisor, and mine is in 4x magnification. I don't use mine constantly, but it's mighty handy for detail work on the lathe from time to time. Here's a link to check this out:

http://www.woodcraft.com/Family/2004227/2004227.aspx

ooc



Odie,
lets see if I can attach a pic...

Checked out your pic, Clifton. That looks like a workable solution you have there. Those links look just like the coolant loc-lines I have at work......I would imagine they work on the same principle.

I can see we have a variety of solutions to the same need......including the pencil. As stated earlier, the pencil doesn't work for my needs because it's gone instantly as the tool passes over it......but, this is not to say it isn't a perfectly legitimate solution to the needs of other turners.

ooc
 
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