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Hi, I writing to share, complain, and ask about my latest piece
This is from a big ol slab a something. You know when they cut down a tree they cut it into "cookies" that are easier to get into the truck, but not so great for the ol woodturner.
So first, obviously there were a s#$@ ton of big cracks in it. So I filled them (and my shirt, one cut and most of my epidermis) with mid and thin super glue. Only to realize I still had way to much wood left. Rinse repeat two more times. I was pretty frustrated at this point and my craftsmanship went right in the toilet. But ultimately I completed it.
A picture says a thousand words, but at least in this case many of them are lies. It actually looks pretty good here.
It has soaked up about 5 oz of undiluted deft oil. And pretty much every drop is in the wood.
If you've made it this far does anyone know why the picture from within my shop with about 100,000 watts of led lights has those bars on it? It's crazy, the bars just scroll across the phone screen. Kind of neat but worthless for photos.1000001680.jpg1000001681.jpg1000001682.jpg
 

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The bars I would guess are the frequency of the LED strobing lining up with the shutter of your phone camera. LEDs dim by turning off and on at high frequency. Your eyes might not notice but the camera records the pixels one line at a time. The LEDs flashed 3 times before the camera was done taking the picture.
 
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Incandescent bulbs (hot and getting hard to find) don’t have the sync problem. For my photo cube I use some full spectrum 65w CFL photo bulbs.

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Some LEDs are good and getting better, especially those sold specifically for photography and video.

Some LEDs are terrible - one in particular over my lathe was horrible, strobed with both my phone and Canon digital SLR, had to replace it. (cheap from HD).
Look at the dark horizontal bands, easy to see on the plywood in the background in the first two photos:

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(Here I'm turning aluminum on the wood lathe with woodturning tools to make handle inserts - not difficult and quite useful!)

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I don't know of any species that would work for that and my personal opinion is that all of those radial checks look like an accident that did happen.
To be successful turning end grain anything with the pith included you must start with green wood before it has had a chance to start checking:
#1 turn to a shape that has as little as possible flat area on the bottom where the pith is located.
#2 turn the walls as thin as possible if you expect to dry it and finish turn ( twice turn).
#3 turn extra thin and let it warp (Once turn).
#4 Weather you are doing #2 or #3 slow drying is a must.
#5 Platters are not an option.

The cherry bowl below was tuned green to a wall thickness of 3/8" to 7/16" and the area around the pith was on the verge of rotten so I dripped some wood hardener in the bottom, weighed it, noted the date, weight & in the bag and put it in a brown paper bag about mid September 2024. The finish turning started about 1 week ago and by that time the weight had stabilized and even increased some since I took it out of the bag and the weather turned cold. The wall was finish turned to about 5/16" thick and that is one of the advantages of turning straight grained wood on the pith since there is very little distortion. The bowl just happened to be on the lathe as I was finishing the bottom and drilling for legs and the center stub was removed after this picture was taken. IMG_1148.jpg
Notice there are no checks or cracks in that bowl, however I must admit that the soft center may have helped.
 
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One species that might work for end grain cookie turnings is sassafras - fairly stable. I've cut and dried some large pieces without cracking.

There is a proven way to minimize drying defects in any green wood: boiling the wood. Typically, a piece would be rough turned then boiled for about 1 hr per inch of thickness. There's an old thread here about boiling:

Some things about boiling from two sources.

At one time I got some big exotic wood blanks from the now deceased exotic wood exporter Jim King from Peru. Jim told me some of them HAD to be boiled or they would quickly become useless. He assumed I wanted to turn large things, but instead I cut them up into small pieces which dried OK without cracking. Jim said they exported thousands of bowls from Peru and boiled all of them, in 55gal drums, over wood fires.

Turner/teacher/writer Stephen Russell used to have a great web site with a lot of info, including articles on boiling wood but it was shut down years ago. Last I heard (some years ago) Stephen was active in a woodturning club somewhere in Texas but I have no current info. I saved his almost his entire website from the Wayback Machine (internet archive) for my own use. I can't pass the HTML files of the articles to anyone but below are some excerpts from his boiling article (without the pictures) that may be useful. At the time he wrote this he said he had over 1500 bowls that were dried and ready for finish turning, stating again that the boiled bowls dried in about half the time as similar non-boiled bowls.

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Boiling Green Wood - Summary and Advantages

This testing clearly demonstrates that the addition of a boiling cycle helps to prevent or eliminate many common drying defects. For me, I plan to boil, and then bag much more often! I will reserve the plain paper bag method for pieces whose grain character and overall defects are within the demonstrated success profile. Other pieces that exhibit various defects or possible grain/growth ring compromises will get a "hot water bath."

I have also found that boiled timber dries an average of fifty percent faster than non-boiled timber. Another advantage comes when you sand the piece. Species that tend to clog the sandpaper when traditionally air-dried, offer little to no clogging when they are boiled. In addition, most unwanted guests are eliminated in the boil cycle. This is especially important if you dry your bowls inside your home and you want to stay out of divorce court!

It is clear that boiling green wood does have benefits for marginal, as well as sound pieces. It is my guess that the process relieves or relaxes much of the internal stresses. The area around the branchlets on dry (boiled) pieces was very tight and showed no separation from the surrounding timber. I believe that the combination of the heat and hot water loosens the lignin bond between the cell walls. The internal stresses then relax a bit when boiling green wood and when the piece cools, the lignin bond "cures" (for lack of a better word) in the new relaxed state. Wild grain and other defect prone areas are therefore, brought under control.
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Boiling Green Wood - The Procedure

An open pot is normally used for boiling green wood, but you can also use a pressure cooker. A pressure cooker will reduce the overall cooking time considerably. The problem is getting a large enough pressure cooker to hold your bowls! Whatever you decide to use, make sure you use a pot that you can dedicate to timber boiling. The extractives in the timber will quickly make a mess of your pot and you will not want to use it for anything else
In the past, I boiled my rough outs with a full rolling boil for the entire cycle. I found out that this was not necessary and just wasted propane. Those Cajun cookers can really burn the fuel! Now, I bring the pot up to a boil and place the bowls and platters into the “soup”. I boil most of the items for one full hour, per inch of wall thickness, under a low to medium heat (not a simmer, not a full rolling boil).

When boiling green wood, begin your one-hour timing (after placing the bowls into the pot) when your pot RETURNS to a boil! You must monitor the pot to insure it does not lose too much water. Periodically, you will have to replace some of the water lost during the boil. You can also cover the pot with a lid to help retain heat, water and conserve fuel. The hot water may slosh out and stain some surfaces, so take precautions to insure that you have suitable protection.
Some of the smaller items may require a weight to prevent floating. A brick, or a large rock works great for this. In unusual circumstances, I will continue boiling green wood for two hours if the piece warrants more time. However, all of the items in this particular test were boiled for approximately one hour. When I remove the pieces from the pot, I let them air-dry overnight to reduce some of the excess water and bag them the next day.

In extreme cases (like green Madrone Burr), put the items into cool water and then bring it up to a boil SLOWLY, over the course of two hours. When the water begins boiling (2 hours from the start), boil for two to three hours. When this cycle is up, (4-5 hours from the start) turn off the burner and let the piece sit in the pot until the next day. Then, remove the items from the water and air-dry them for one day before bagging. However, most timbers do not require this extra effort.

Sometimes, the design will limit the amount of pieces you can put in the cooking pot. For example, semi enclosed bowls, hollow forms or tall roughed out vases etc. However, I load as many pieces as I can fit in the pot. You can load quite a few platters into the pot, because they stack so well.

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Boiling Green Wood - Deciding When to Use the Protocol

Does the piece include branchlets in the sides/bottom? Is there wild grain on one side and straight grain on the other? Is the rim/bottom of the bowl near the smaller growth rings (closest to the pith)? Is the species well known for gross distortion or cellular collapse during drying? Does the species exhibit “honeycomb” degrade or severe corrugation when dried? If so, then I would suggest you augment your “plain paper bag” method (rough out placed in the bag without alteration of any kind) with a boiling cycle. Here's why...

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Boiling Green Wood - The Results

Of the four hundred and fifty bowls and platters included in the analysis, the largest amount of drying defects were in the plain paper bag test group. The least amount of drying defects were in the boiled, then bagged test group which had little to no drying defects (splits, fissures etc.) and exhibited significantly less gross distortion, warp, twist or other undulations in the test samples. Species with the largest amount of defects present when turned were Sycamore and Pecan, followed by Sweet Gum. For example: Several of the Sycamore and Pecan pieces had branchlets in the sides or bottoms of the test pieces.

Of the twenty bowls in the plain paper bag test group containing these branchlets, sixteen showed splits through the branchlets. Most of the splits were limited to the diameter of the branchlet in twelve bowls. The four remaining bowls had splits that extended well past the branchlet boundaries. All of the branchlets received an initial application of thin CA glue before going in the bag.

Twenty -one bowls and five platters in the boiled, then bagged test group revealed NO splits in any of the branchlets. Gross distortion on the rims of the bowls and platters was significantly less on the boiled pieces as well. They still warped a bit, but the overall rate was significantly less than the plain paper bag tests group.

Other comparisons demonstrated similar results. Twelve Black Ash bowls contained heartwood (wild grain) and sapwood in the same piece and were boiled, then bagged. These showed significantly less gross distortion than the plain paper bag test pieces. All of the Black Ash test pieces that were boiled, and then bagged had no splits. Of the ten pieces in the plain paper bag test group, two revealed minor splits.

Bowls turned with rims or tops very close to the pith also exhibited similar results. Of the forty- five bowls and twelve platters in the boiled, then bagged test group, only one bowl contained a split. Of the forty bowls and fifteen platters in the plain paper bag test group, thirty-one of the bowls and twelve of the platters exhibited numerous split defects at the rims.

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Boiling Green Wood - Summary and Advantages

This testing clearly demonstrates that the addition of a boiling cycle helps to prevent or eliminate many common drying defects. For me, I plan to boil, and then bag much more often! I will reserve the plain paper bag method for pieces whose grain character and overall defects are within the demonstrated success profile. Other pieces that exhibit various defects or possible grain/growth ring compromises will get a "hot water bath."

I have also found that boiled timber dries an average of fifty percent faster than non-boiled timber. Another advantage comes when you sand the piece. Species that tend to clog the sandpaper when traditionally air-dried, offer little to no clogging when they are boiled. In addition, most unwanted guests are eliminated in the boil cycle. This is especially important if you dry your bowls inside your home and you want to stay out of divorce court!

It is clear that boiling green wood does have benefits for marginal, as well as sound pieces. It is my guess that the process relieves or relaxes much of the internal stresses. The area around the branchlets on dry (boiled) pieces was very tight and showed no separation from the surrounding timber. I believe that the combination of the heat and hot water loosens the lignin bond between the cell walls. The internal stresses then relax a bit when boiling green wood and when the piece cools, the lignin bond "cures" (for lack of a better word) in the new relaxed state. Wild grain and other defect prone areas are therefore, brought under control.

Most of the platters in this test were crotch pieces and the feathers on the boiled pieces were tight and free of checks. By contrast, the plain paper bagged pieces did contain some minor checking in the crotch feather areas. Even very thin platters (3/8" thick) showed very little rim movement in the boiled samples. By contrast, the non-boiled group had some pieces that looked like a potato chip!

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There is more, but too much for me to include.

JKJ
 
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So normally I would not have turned the piece at all. But it was from a tree that was growing in the playground at my kids school and I wanted to turn something for them.
I've never really done the twice turned business. I may lack the patience. But, the boiling technique does sound fun and interesting. I'm lucky to have access to lots of mesquite which you can turn the day you cut it down and it will never move. It's pretty awesome. But also lots of pecan which will warp like crazy. So I don't turn so much pecan. But wife is totally over mesquite :( .

@John K Jordan , that wayback machine site sounds like a treasure trove. Would you be able to post the link?

Regarding my LEDs, does that mean I can basically never film in my shop? That's kind of a bummer.
 
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One species that might work for end grain cookie turnings is sassafras - fairly stable. I've cut and dried some large pieces without cracking.

There is a proven way to minimize drying defects in any green wood: boiling the wood. Typically, a piece would be rough turned then boiled for about 1 hr per inch of thickness. There's an old thread here about boiling:

Some things about boiling from two sources.

At one time I got some big exotic wood blanks from the now deceased exotic wood exporter Jim King from Peru. Jim told me some of them HAD to be boiled or they would quickly become useless. He assumed I wanted to turn large things, but instead I cut them up into small pieces which dried OK without cracking. Jim said they exported thousands of bowls from Peru and boiled all of them, in 55gal drums, over wood fires.

Turner/teacher/writer Stephen Russell used to have a great web site with a lot of info, including articles on boiling wood but it was shut down years ago. Last I heard (some years ago) Stephen was active in a woodturning club somewhere in Texas but I have no current info. I saved his almost his entire website from the Wayback Machine (internet archive) for my own use. I can't pass the HTML files of the articles to anyone but below are some excerpts from his boiling article (without the pictures) that may be useful. At the time he wrote this he said he had over 1500 bowls that were dried and ready for finish turning, stating again that the boiled bowls dried in about half the time as similar non-boiled bowls.

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Boiling Green Wood - Summary and Advantages

This testing clearly demonstrates that the addition of a boiling cycle helps to prevent or eliminate many common drying defects. For me, I plan to boil, and then bag much more often! I will reserve the plain paper bag method for pieces whose grain character and overall defects are within the demonstrated success profile. Other pieces that exhibit various defects or possible grain/growth ring compromises will get a "hot water bath."

I have also found that boiled timber dries an average of fifty percent faster than non-boiled timber. Another advantage comes when you sand the piece. Species that tend to clog the sandpaper when traditionally air-dried, offer little to no clogging when they are boiled. In addition, most unwanted guests are eliminated in the boil cycle. This is especially important if you dry your bowls inside your home and you want to stay out of divorce court!

It is clear that boiling green wood does have benefits for marginal, as well as sound pieces. It is my guess that the process relieves or relaxes much of the internal stresses. The area around the branchlets on dry (boiled) pieces was very tight and showed no separation from the surrounding timber. I believe that the combination of the heat and hot water loosens the lignin bond between the cell walls. The internal stresses then relax a bit when boiling green wood and when the piece cools, the lignin bond "cures" (for lack of a better word) in the new relaxed state. Wild grain and other defect prone areas are therefore, brought under control.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Boiling Green Wood - The Procedure

An open pot is normally used for boiling green wood, but you can also use a pressure cooker. A pressure cooker will reduce the overall cooking time considerably. The problem is getting a large enough pressure cooker to hold your bowls! Whatever you decide to use, make sure you use a pot that you can dedicate to timber boiling. The extractives in the timber will quickly make a mess of your pot and you will not want to use it for anything else
In the past, I boiled my rough outs with a full rolling boil for the entire cycle. I found out that this was not necessary and just wasted propane. Those Cajun cookers can really burn the fuel! Now, I bring the pot up to a boil and place the bowls and platters into the “soup”. I boil most of the items for one full hour, per inch of wall thickness, under a low to medium heat (not a simmer, not a full rolling boil).

When boiling green wood, begin your one-hour timing (after placing the bowls into the pot) when your pot RETURNS to a boil! You must monitor the pot to insure it does not lose too much water. Periodically, you will have to replace some of the water lost during the boil. You can also cover the pot with a lid to help retain heat, water and conserve fuel. The hot water may slosh out and stain some surfaces, so take precautions to insure that you have suitable protection.
Some of the smaller items may require a weight to prevent floating. A brick, or a large rock works great for this. In unusual circumstances, I will continue boiling green wood for two hours if the piece warrants more time. However, all of the items in this particular test were boiled for approximately one hour. When I remove the pieces from the pot, I let them air-dry overnight to reduce some of the excess water and bag them the next day.

In extreme cases (like green Madrone Burr), put the items into cool water and then bring it up to a boil SLOWLY, over the course of two hours. When the water begins boiling (2 hours from the start), boil for two to three hours. When this cycle is up, (4-5 hours from the start) turn off the burner and let the piece sit in the pot until the next day. Then, remove the items from the water and air-dry them for one day before bagging. However, most timbers do not require this extra effort.

Sometimes, the design will limit the amount of pieces you can put in the cooking pot. For example, semi enclosed bowls, hollow forms or tall roughed out vases etc. However, I load as many pieces as I can fit in the pot. You can load quite a few platters into the pot, because they stack so well.

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Boiling Green Wood - Deciding When to Use the Protocol

Does the piece include branchlets in the sides/bottom? Is there wild grain on one side and straight grain on the other? Is the rim/bottom of the bowl near the smaller growth rings (closest to the pith)? Is the species well known for gross distortion or cellular collapse during drying? Does the species exhibit “honeycomb” degrade or severe corrugation when dried? If so, then I would suggest you augment your “plain paper bag” method (rough out placed in the bag without alteration of any kind) with a boiling cycle. Here's why...

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Boiling Green Wood - The Results

Of the four hundred and fifty bowls and platters included in the analysis, the largest amount of drying defects were in the plain paper bag test group. The least amount of drying defects were in the boiled, then bagged test group which had little to no drying defects (splits, fissures etc.) and exhibited significantly less gross distortion, warp, twist or other undulations in the test samples. Species with the largest amount of defects present when turned were Sycamore and Pecan, followed by Sweet Gum. For example: Several of the Sycamore and Pecan pieces had branchlets in the sides or bottoms of the test pieces.

Of the twenty bowls in the plain paper bag test group containing these branchlets, sixteen showed splits through the branchlets. Most of the splits were limited to the diameter of the branchlet in twelve bowls. The four remaining bowls had splits that extended well past the branchlet boundaries. All of the branchlets received an initial application of thin CA glue before going in the bag.

Twenty -one bowls and five platters in the boiled, then bagged test group revealed NO splits in any of the branchlets. Gross distortion on the rims of the bowls and platters was significantly less on the boiled pieces as well. They still warped a bit, but the overall rate was significantly less than the plain paper bag tests group.

Other comparisons demonstrated similar results. Twelve Black Ash bowls contained heartwood (wild grain) and sapwood in the same piece and were boiled, then bagged. These showed significantly less gross distortion than the plain paper bag test pieces. All of the Black Ash test pieces that were boiled, and then bagged had no splits. Of the ten pieces in the plain paper bag test group, two revealed minor splits.

Bowls turned with rims or tops very close to the pith also exhibited similar results. Of the forty- five bowls and twelve platters in the boiled, then bagged test group, only one bowl contained a split. Of the forty bowls and fifteen platters in the plain paper bag test group, thirty-one of the bowls and twelve of the platters exhibited numerous split defects at the rims.

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Boiling Green Wood - Summary and Advantages

This testing clearly demonstrates that the addition of a boiling cycle helps to prevent or eliminate many common drying defects. For me, I plan to boil, and then bag much more often! I will reserve the plain paper bag method for pieces whose grain character and overall defects are within the demonstrated success profile. Other pieces that exhibit various defects or possible grain/growth ring compromises will get a "hot water bath."

I have also found that boiled timber dries an average of fifty percent faster than non-boiled timber. Another advantage comes when you sand the piece. Species that tend to clog the sandpaper when traditionally air-dried, offer little to no clogging when they are boiled. In addition, most unwanted guests are eliminated in the boil cycle. This is especially important if you dry your bowls inside your home and you want to stay out of divorce court!

It is clear that boiling green wood does have benefits for marginal, as well as sound pieces. It is my guess that the process relieves or relaxes much of the internal stresses. The area around the branchlets on dry (boiled) pieces was very tight and showed no separation from the surrounding timber. I believe that the combination of the heat and hot water loosens the lignin bond between the cell walls. The internal stresses then relax a bit when boiling green wood and when the piece cools, the lignin bond "cures" (for lack of a better word) in the new relaxed state. Wild grain and other defect prone areas are therefore, brought under control.

Most of the platters in this test were crotch pieces and the feathers on the boiled pieces were tight and free of checks. By contrast, the plain paper bagged pieces did contain some minor checking in the crotch feather areas. Even very thin platters (3/8" thick) showed very little rim movement in the boiled samples. By contrast, the non-boiled group had some pieces that looked like a potato chip!

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There is more, but too much for me to include.

JKJ
Thank you. That's really valuable, and I didn't know any of it beyond 'you can boil wood'.
 
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So normally I would not have turned the piece at all. But it was from a tree that was growing in the playground at my kids school and I wanted to turn something for them.
I've never really done the twice turned business. I may lack the patience. But, the boiling technique does sound fun and interesting. I'm lucky to have access to lots of mesquite which you can turn the day you cut it down and it will never move. It's pretty awesome. But also lots of pecan which will warp like crazy. So I don't turn so much pecan. But wife is totally over mesquite :( .

@John K Jordan , that wayback machine site sounds like a treasure trove. Would you be able to post the link?

Regarding my LEDs, does that mean I can basically never film in my shop? That's kind of a bummer.

I really like this site as well.
 
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… I've never really done the twice turned business. I may lack the patience. But, the boiling technique does sound fun and interesting. I'm lucky to have access to lots of mesquite which you can turn the day you cut it down and it will never move. It's pretty awesome. But also lots of pecan which will warp like crazy. So I don't turn so much pecan. But wife is totally over mesquite :( .

@John K Jordan , that wayback machine site sounds like a treasure trove. Would you be able to post the link?

Regarding my LEDs, does that mean I can basically never film in my shop? That's kind of a bummer.

Search google for wayback machine or internet archives. Anything that was on the internet at one time should be there. Access and downloading can be quite slow.

Video in shop: may depend on what kind of video equipment you use, do some tests first with your existing lighting. I used several digital SLRs for a multi-camera video shoot in my shop, recorded with pro hardware, and edited with high-end software. Haven’t tried even simple shop video with my phone.

My T5 shop lighting was fine for video, but I still supplemented it with lighting made for video (which should also work OK if you needed to turn off the overhead lights):
These are sold as “fill” lighting, but a couple of extra (or some other lighting) could be aimed and bounced off the ceiling (or white poster board) if needed.
Much depends on the size of the area you want to include in the video. If just closeups of the lathe, two or three lights might be sufficient. There is a lot of information about video production and lights on the internet. But it’s a deep well to fall into.

Here’s the video I did with the equipment and lighting I described, if you want to take a look.
I made this for a club zoom demo during the covid pandemic:
View: https://youtu.be/4Rbdas-jtD0


“Twice turning” is easy but does require some patience. Basically you mount the green wood, turn the approximate shape you want but leave extra wall thickness, then let dry before turning again to finished thickness and shape. If turning bowls in “face” or sidegrain mode (the usual way), typically leave the wall about 10% of the diameter to allow enough wood to turn it again after the piece dries and warps. Much depends on the wood, as you noted, some species warp much less than others. There are many ways to dry, some are better than others for species that tend to crack. As the article says, boiling can help with both the wood stability and the patience.

End grain bowls are easily “twice turned” and don’t warp the same way as face turned. Except for the cracking around the pith, a twice-turned end grain bowl centered on the log section is less likely to warp and crack at the perimeter. Centering on the pith will let you design the bowl to include some natural edge features, bark, etc. To avoid problems at the pith, find a bigger log and cut the end-grain blank so it doesn’t include any pith.

If not familiar with all this, some searches on this forum and elsewhere should give good instructions.

Mesquite doesn’t grow here so any we have comes from elsewhere. The stability of freshly cut mesquite may depend on the species.

JKJ
 
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@John K Jordan , Stephen Russell, now there's someone from way back in my early days. I'd banter back and forth with him back in the Usenet "rec.crafts.woodturning" days of the 1990s. Man, between that board and "rec.woodworking", there was a veritable Encyclopedia Britannica (Encylco-what?) of woodworking knowledge being openly shared and discussed. I miss those days. Of course, there were no photos of anything, the tech couldn't support photos. The good ol' days of the internet!
 
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Raif, my opinion is your bowl from a cookie is a really nice cookie bowl for serving cookies to the kids, especially considering the sentimental value of where the wood came from. My two suggestions (from looking at the photos), it appears that some of the cracks are not completely filled, so some CA could finish that up. Also, it appears that the wood is ready for more coats of oil, there are lots of dry spots. It's amazing how much some wood will drink up. I hope this helps.
 
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As an alternative to boiling, I have been trying microwaving. Most recipes for microwaving emphasize moderate microwave times and prolonged cooling between. I try to get the piece very hot, so that you can feel/see the heat and steam escaping. After cooling off, I measure the weight. When tracking the weight loss, you can see when the water is mostly gone, and you can decrease the microwave times to much shorter. I have done dozens of bowls and hollow forms this way. and a 6 inch diameter solid sphere, with some modest cracking sometimes seen at the pith. That being said, recently I had a big spruce hollow form and overdid it, and it started to smolder, even though there was still a lot of moisture still in the piece. I suspect the piece was too big as it barely fit inside the unit, and the heating was non uniform. .
 
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The stripes in the image of are due to the digital image filtering or your camera's image processing. Reduce the light intensity and the filter is should be able to compensate for the led Interference.
 
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The bars I would guess are the frequency of the LED strobing lining up with the shutter of your phone camera. LEDs dim by turning off and on at high frequency. Your eyes might not notice but the camera records the pixels one line at a time. The LEDs flashed 3 times before the camera was done taking the picture.
Although this is mostly true LEDs are dimmed, not by the frequency but, by the ratio of on/off of the voltage. Typically called pulse width modulation, pwm increase the light output by increasing the duration the LED is pulsed. Modern LED lights which are optimized for AC outlets are flashing at approximately 120hz. This is thanks to the newer design of LEDs which respond like a bridge rectifier. Each positive and negative peak of the ac waveform excite one side of the LED circuit.

The problem is when the image processing reaches the saturation limit too soon. As noted above, each line of the image is scanned, but the number of times that same line is scanned depends heavily on how much light is captured. The more times, the blurrier the image can get, the fewer times exposes the more crisp it can be... There is a balance between too much light, which exposes the camera errata, and not enough that over samples/over blends.
 

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A friend of mine microwaved a piece, it started to smoke a bit, he put it outside on the concrete and came back to a pile of ash.
A friend of mine was microwaving a ball . it started smoking so he used pot holders to take it outside and toss it in a goldfish pond.
He said it was like a toy boat sinking and floating and spouting smoke….
 
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I've never really done the twice turned business. I may lack the patience.

Me too, but I've been using something that works for me. Once-turn a bunch of bowls. As many as you can stand to make. Make a drying box out of Styrofoam sheathing. Put a cheapo lamp with an incandescent bulb in it (can only buy them on Amazon, and they don't last long). Go about your business of turning green wood. Six weeks later, check the box. Once things are dry, you'll have a nice selection of blanks ready to finish. You'll want to weigh the pieces before they go in the box, of course. That's the only true way to determine if the wood has stabilized.
 
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