Ddduuuhhhh!!!!

[Mr. Don]

Guess there is a reason.....WHY THE HELL would the powers(?) that be put the sharpening thing on DVD and not CD-ROM????

 

[David Somers]

Just a guess, but if the folks I work with are any indication, more folks have dvd players for their TV's than have computers?

 

[John Nicholas]

DVD v CD ROM

DVDs hold much more data than a CD-ROM. That way they could produce 1 DVD instead of 2 or 3 CD-ROMs.

John :cool2:

 

[n7bsn]

DVDs hold much more data than a CD-ROM. That way they could produce 1 DVD instead of 2 or 3 CD-ROMs.

John :cool2:

Actually a DVD's is 4.7G or 8.5G , a CD is 650M or 710M, so a dual-layer DVD (many movies are dual-layer) has better then 10X the storage a standard CD has

 

[Brian Hahn]

Guess there is a reason.....WHY THE HELL would the powers(?) that be put the sharpening thing on DVD and not CD-ROM????

DVD's are for video
CD's are for music and data.
The "sharpening thing" is a video, therefore DVD.
Ever see a music video on a CD?

 

[Mr. Don]

Dvd

OOPPSS!!
I stand corrected....kinda makes me feel more like a dinosaur!!!! Sorry, people.
Yup.. my foot DOES fit in my mouth!!!! And it ain't spalted!!!

 

[n7bsn]

DVD's are for video
CD's are for music and data.
The "sharpening thing" is a video, therefore DVD.
Ever see a music video on a CD?

Actually yes. Ever hear of a Video CD

 

[Bill Boehme]

If the video were on CD, then:

1. You probably would only be able to play it on your computer, if you had one.
2. The video would be limited to about 20 minutes and the video quality would be poorer than DVD because of the need for file compression.
3. You could get more play time on a CD at the further expense of video quality. For an instructional video, clarity in the image is important.

I have a couple video CDs, but the picture quality would be considered "web-cast" quality. Sort of like looking at the world through a dusty and steamed up face shield.

Everyone is entitled to a "duh" occasionally. I have one frequently when I am reminded why the inside diameter must be smaller than the outside diameter -- except when in an anti-matter universe.

Bill

 

[Jeff Jilg]

Brian's answer was correct - the video is targeted for DVD players attached to TVs. While video can be put on CD, the prevalent usage for most people is to have a DVD player attached to the TV. We (the AAW) recognizes that we should have put out a 1 pager with the DVD explaining what it was and how it should be used. Hindsight is great!

 

[Ron Sardo]

Guess there is a reason.....WHY THE HELL would the powers(?) that be put the sharpening thing on DVD and not CD-ROM????

Because they know what they are doing. DVD is the standard medium for movies.

17 minutes of video on a CD
120 minutes of video on a DVD

Newer DVD-DLs can handle 228 minutes, but DVD players that can use this type of disc are just starting to hit the market. So few people will have them.

BTW - The powers that be stopped making Beta or VHS tapes too.

 

[Gary]

I have a Samsung DVD player attached to my TV. It will play both single and double layer dvd's;it also playes video CD's just fine..

The quality of the video is quit good (better than vhs video tapes).

A feature length movie, recorded using MPEG-4 takes just two cd's (90 to 100 min. of video)

So if you use the proper CODEC's video cd's work quit well.

 

[woodwish]

I teach video production for a day job, and also consider myself a video techno-geek. DVD was the only real option. VHS might have been a possibility a year or two ago but realistically it would have required a completely seperate package instead of stuffing between the pages of the directory. Video CD's are technically possible but really are a gimmick at best, just was a bad idea that has never been popular.

I applaud the AAW leadership for making the DVD, I really enjoy it and look forward to more such goodies in future years. Someday the most popular format will not be DVD, but right now it cetainly is.

 

[Gary]

I teach video production for a day job, and also consider myself a video techno-geek. DVD was the only real option. VHS might have been a possibility a year or two ago but realistically it would have required a completely seperate package instead of stuffing between the pages of the directory. Video CD's are technically possible but really are a gimmick at best, just was a bad idea that has never been popular.

Woodwish, I couldn't agree more, except that once CD's were available and reasonably priced, VHS was never a viable option. Now that the cost of the DVD hardware and media is more reasonable it is the only way to go. HOWEVER, some of the statements made were inaccurate and I wanted to correct the inaccuracies.

Video cd's were a good idea a few years ago when the cost of the DVD media was still quit high, and the cost of the pc hardware to burn a DVD was substantially higher than the cost of CD hardware; and the CD record speeds were significantly higher than DVD record speeds. Video CD's were easy to burn, and gave good results and many of the DVD players will play video CD's.
Also there was some very good software for burning video CD's (Nero for one)

I have recorded many classic movies that were only on during the wee-hours and burned video cd's so that the family could watch them during "normal people time"

((obviously the cd's were distroyed when I was done with them))

 

[George Balock]

Format be Damned...

I like the content. I've been turning for over ten years, and I still learned something.

I think that the AAW hit their target. If one of the missions of the AAW is education, then they couldn't have done better.

So, what do they do for an encore?

 

[Bill Boehme]

Woodwish, I couldn't agree more, except that once CD's were available and reasonably priced, VHS was never a viable option.

Perhaps not an option for you personally, but I would hardly say that it wasn't viable. Until recently (about the past two or three years) most video players hooked to people's television sets were VHS machines and not DVD players and none of the older DVD machines could play video CD's. VHS has been viable for about a quarter of a century -- not a bad lifetime. CD's have been around for more than fifteen years, but have never been a serious contender in the video market. When you do see them, they are usually freebies that come packaged with some product as an instructional demo. Unless someone bought a DVD player fairly recently, playing CD's on them is not an option. Recording a TV program off the air cetainly doesn't demand high quality video so VHS tapes or CD's could be used for that. Personally, I still use VHS if I want to record something off the air or cable for playback later. The tapes are very low in cost and can be reused -- besides, I have more tapes than can be counted (actually, more than I want to count).😀

Bill

 

[Mike in CA]

several intersting points.

I had reservations on replying, I'm going to jump in with my $.02. Previous posts with good points don't need to be revisited.
I've been a network television broadcast engineer for 35 years. Since the Betamax then VHS machines were introduced I've owned one, or both, and still use both, as well as TiVo and a couple DVD players.
The market penitration DVD has grown at noticebly faster rate, even in a shorter time, than that of Beta - then VHS after it.
The great thing about Digital Versitile Disk is that they are still being developed. VHS on the other hand was a limited, fragile, fixed technology that met one need. (except for a HD VHS experiment.) There are dozens of codecs being used, and tons of desktop software to choose from. Video CD's came out as a "just because we can", type of experiment.

Soon HD players will be just as popular.

I guess that turned into a ramble - not necessariliy on point

 

[Wilford Bickel]

Advice Please

I've got a DVD player on my home PC so the sharpening CD was viewed and enjoyed on that machine. Like others, we have a pile of VHS tapes (even some on turning) that I want to continue using. Has anyone had any experience with the DVD/VHS combo machines and if so can you give any advice on the purchase of one to hook up to the TV??

Thanks in advance for the help!

Wilford

 

[Vernon Oberle]

VHS to DVD

I have a VHS recorder hooked to my computer (with video TV card) and record the tapes into the computer and writing them back out on DVD. They are not as freindly as a commercial DVD but I can play them on my laptop when I travel or take them to work and watch them at lunch. Try that with VHS. I have made some videocd disks but the DVD format is alot friendlier.

Vernon

 

[David Somers]

Sony has a nice External (USB2/firewire) DVD burner that can handle the new Dual Layer DVD's as well as the older style. It can be used through the computer as suggested earlier, but it can also be hooked directly to the RCA or S-Video/Audio connectors of a tape deck (S-VHS/VHS, Hi-8/8mm) and can record a DVD directly from that. I have one and it has been great for simply copying things to DVD. You can't bypass copy protections with it, but otherwise it works great and eliminates the middle step of copying to a computer and formatting the file for DVD.

One thing I like about copying to DVD is that I can play it repeatedly and know I am not degrading the Original tape.

Model number is VRDVC20. Street price seems to be around $180. You can probably get it for less if you hunt a bit. Full Retail is $219.

 

[woodwish]

I've got a DVD player on my home PC so the sharpening CD was viewed and enjoyed on that machine. Like others, we have a pile of VHS tapes (even some on turning) that I want to continue using. Has anyone had any experience with the DVD/VHS combo machines and if so can you give any advice on the purchase of one to hook up to the TV??

Thanks in advance for the help!

Wilford

To be honest about any of them on the market seem to be as good as another. I gave one to my parents for Christmas last year I bought at WalMart for about $75, don't even remember the brand. Gave them that plus some old TV shows on DVD that they love, and they still tape some TV show every day to watch "later". It doesn't record DVD's, only VHS.

One amazing thing about VHS is that it was first on the market in the mid 70's and tapes made then still play on the latest VHS machines, and new tapes still play fine on old machines. It was great in that nothing ever became outdated but it also means that brand new VHS tapes are 30-year-old technology, that is why DVD's caught on so fast it seems. DVD technology still continues to evolve. It probably won't settle until they, too, become obsolete.

New camcorders already are affordable for consumers that record directly to hard drives and completely eleminate the need for tape. As a video productions teacher I am excited but it opens a new techno-nightmare for consumers.

Also, I won't argue that video on CD was possible but it was never a commerical success. Don't think movies or anything were ever available on vidCD's. Yes, I have made them also but it just more because I could instead of really seeing a need for them.

Currently in L'ville at the symposium, a little disappointed that I didn't win a new lathe tonight at dinner but am having a blast anyways!

 

[Bill Boehme]

Currently in L'ville at the symposium, a little disappointed that I didn't win a new lathe tonight at dinner but am having a blast anyways!

Maybe it is a good thing that you didn't win a lathe -- just think of all the inconvenience of dragging it home, especially if you try to check it as baggage at the airport.

How I wish that I were there, too.

Bill

 

[pyrocasto]

If the video were on CD, then:

1. You probably would only be able to play it on your computer, if you had one.
   Bill

1. 
   Or a DVD/Video CD player, such as the one I have. Didnt even know it till a year after I bought it.