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bouncing bumps

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Hi,

Even though I'm a moderately experienced turner I sometimes run into this problem: When turning the outside of larger bowls a vibration develops and you can see that the bowl is becoming out round and the gouge begins the bounce. The only way out of it is to start a fresh cut. Any ideas on causes and cures?

Herb
 
You didn't say if it was green wood or dry but this really applies to both. The wood is probably moving on you. Even dry wood will sometimes move when you relieve the stresses in it by taking away wood. Usually not anywhere near as bad as green wood but it will move.
I use to have that problem a lot but I turn so much quicker these days that the bowl simply doesn't have as much time to move. rotate the bowl by hand with a reference point near the bowl. I usually just put a finger on the tool rest and look at the gap. If it's perfectly round of course there won't be a gap. If a gap exists (usually on 2 opposite sides) then that's where the bounce is coming from.
 
bounce

You may be taking too large a cut or pushing the cut to fast.

Try taking a smaller cut and going slower.😉
 
bounces

Hi,

Thanks for response. Let me clarify. This happens to me with dry wood only. It also happens when I go back over the profile for a cleaner cut. So the blank starts out perfectly round and little by little I get bounces even when not making a particularly aggressive cut.

Herb
 
Could it possibly be vibration if the bowl is thin walled? If so, the way to reduce this problem is to progressively finish the bowl in several stages beginning at the rim an working towards the bottom. Never go back and touch up the bowl after moving down to the next section. If some chatter develops anyway, I usually keep a couple fingers riding the surface of the bowl to help dampen out the vibration. If all that fails, there is always sandpaper.
 
Hi,

Thanks for response. Let me clarify. This happens to me with dry wood only. It also happens when I go back over the profile for a cleaner cut. So the blank starts out perfectly round and little by little I get bounces even when not making a particularly aggressive cut.

OK, outside and dry wood.

First, the wood's never really as dry inside as out, so you will normally get a bit of contraction after removing the interior. Fact of life, and usually no more than another turner would notice. It will, however, touch the tool on each endgrain part and pass clear of the long if you check it by hand spinning and holding the tool firmly on the rest. I leave it alone, because it's not really visible.

Second, even on a perfectly circular piece it's easier to cut (or sand) along the grain than cut across, so if the piece is thin enough to recoil a bit (=<3/8), you can cut your way into the same situation as above. You really have to hold the tool without pressing to get it perfectly circular, and that means no steadying on the surface. The scraper guys can do fine, with lightest of touches, though at a cost to the surface left by a gouge. Once again, seldom a factor.

Note that neither of these conditions is even permanent. The bowl will move as it gains or looses moisture throughout its existence. You chase at risk for something which may not exist tomorrow.

If you're caught by excesses in one and two, you sometimes end up with visibly thinner long grain and thicker end. I cheat and use a steady so the walls are of uniform thickness. It also cuts down on chatter from hardness differential and the long/end grain drag difference. Since I sand with a device supported on the toolrest, I can gauge the difference in circularity pretty well, just like the scrapers. It usually isn't there when the rest is employed. Now next week ... 'nother matter.
 
Herb

could be too much bevel pressure.

I see this when folks take "ride the bevel" to mean push hard into the wood. It creates a vibration and tool bounce.
dull tools create the same effect.

float the bevel over the cut surface.

if I feel a bounce Idecrease the pressure, slow and lighten the cut.
After a while you sort of sense the bounce about to start and correct before making the bumps.
A smaller gouge has less bevel pressure. a secondary bevel shortens the bevel which reduces bevel presure.

Johannnes Michelson's grind is secondary bevel to the extreme. It makes cutting thin hat walls easier because there is minimal bevel drag.

sharp tools, light cuts, light bevel pressure


Happy turning
- Al
 
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bounces

Hi,

Thanks for all your responses. I think that Al has probably hit it on the head. Too much bevel pressure. I will experiment with your advice.


thanks again,

Herb
 
Kind of a second on Al's advice. Ever notice how the more you fight it the worse it gets? With roughing cuts, it doesn't matter too much, but for finish cuts, you need a light touch, with the handle hand doing the work, and the tool rest hand just resting on the tool. Same when turning the inside. There will always be a little bounce because of the way the tool responds to going through the different grains, as in end grain and side grain. It feels like you have to fight it to make it better, but just relax, and let the tool do the work. Gently rub the bevel, don't RIDE it.

robo hippy
 
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