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I just joined a club in FL and we got flyers from SS Bottle Stoppers manufacturing and they have really cheap prices. We were going to place a club order but one of our members went to Totally Turning in NY last month and said a lot of turners were saying that this company is not using food safe stainless steel. Seems a club in Maine got some and not sure if they had problems or what but anyway, they had one tested and it is not 304 18-8 (as the ad and their website claims) but an inferior grade.

Some of our club members sell their work and they don't want to tell their customers it's FDA food grade stainless if it's not. Does any one know anything about this?

Thanks for your help.
 
How can stainless steel not be food grade? It's been my experience that most bottle stoppers never touch any fluid, and who is going to let wine sit for more than a day anyway. Does anyone talk about food grade o-rings? I'd have more issues with food touching rubber than I would stainless steel. There seems to be a grand loyalty to one supplier of bottle stoppers, and that drives a lot of comments and their attempts to influence purchasing decisions.
 
I just joined a club in FL and we got flyers from SS Bottle Stoppers manufacturing...

This is Ruth Niles’ company; she’s a longtime turner and all around great gal (never met her but have “known†her in the internet sense for more than 15 (?) years +/-. If you have any questions or concerns, I’m sure she’d be happy to address them. http://www.aawforum.org/vbforum/member.php?871-Ruth-Niles

Her website: http://nilesbottlestoppers.com/
 
Ruth was at Totally Turning with a booth. She's a great lady and makes great stoppers. I have been really happy with them and would be absolutely stunned if she used anything that was not high quality and appropriate for the use.

Doug
 
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...SS Bottle Stoppers

In my opinion there is not a better stopper. She has a variety of styles and connections. I've been using these for almost as long as I've been playing on the lathe. (I use the A-301 with a threaded shaft and usually make them so the SS is slightly recessed into the wood for a neater join.)

stopper_PB144068_comp_tiny.jpg stoppers_three.jpg

JKJ
 
How can stainless steel not be food grade? It's been my experience that most bottle stoppers never touch any fluid, and who is going to let wine sit for more than a day anyway. Does anyone talk about food grade o-rings? I'd have more issues with food touching rubber than I would stainless steel. There seems to be a grand loyalty to one supplier of bottle stoppers, and that drives a lot of comments and their attempts to influence purchasing decisions.

See what I mean! The first 4 replies after mine!
 
I just joined a club in FL and we got flyers from SS Bottle Stoppers manufacturing and they have really cheap prices. We were going to place a club order but one of our members went to Totally Turning in NY last month and said a lot of turners were saying that this company is not using food safe stainless steel. Seems a club in Maine got some and not sure if they had problems or what but anyway, they had one tested and it is not 304 18-8 (as the ad and their website claims) but an inferior grade.

Some of our club members sell their work and they don't want to tell their customers it's FDA food grade stainless if it's not. Does any one know anything about this?

Thanks for your help.

Not sure how they test for different grades of stainless steel. I am sure there is a way. However my guess is they are using the 304 since it is the most common thus most likely the best priced stainless steel. I looked up the different grades and to be honest it looks as though any grade would work fine for bottle stoppers. The grade chart did say that 316 is actually the food grade stainless, designed for serving food on it.

I don't know Ruth but I have done business with her in the past and she was great. Having said that I agree with Richard that people get pretty rabid with certain products niles stoppers, robust lathes, and a few more. Fine products but that doesn't mean they are the absolute best and that there are no good alternatives out there to suit ones needs.
 
May not be Ruth Niles' stoppers

I just joined a club in FL and we got flyers from SS Bottle Stoppers manufacturing and they have really cheap prices. We were going to place a club order but one of our members went to Totally Turning in NY last month and said a lot of turners were saying that this company is not using food safe stainless steel. Seems a club in Maine got some and not sure if they had problems or what but anyway, they had one tested and it is not 304 18-8 (as the ad and their website claims) but an inferior grade.

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I did a web search for "SS Bottle Stoppers manufacturing" and got several sites including Ruth's.

Here are some of my results:

Site number two was ssbottlestoppers.com which claimed to be USA made and the patent holder for the #301. They are giving us "the opportunity to buy manufacturer direct, no more middle man! This keeps the pricing reasonable and you're getting exactly what you have been buying all along." They are in Honesdale, PA so may be Ruth's supplier. The two styles I compared between this site and Ruth's looked alike on the screen and had the same style numbers.
One needs to buy at least 30 with a minimum of 10 for any one type.
For example their 301 the 2006 patent one and their 701 (stand up one) cost 3.38-3.93 (depending on how many one orders.)
3.93 for 10-29; 3.78 for 30 - 89

Then there was a S. s. Bottle Stopper Suppliers and Manufacturers at Alibaba.com. "Global trade starts here."
This one was weird--in that it kept trying to load (flashing) and did not have any location info I could find (between flashes). I did not stay on the site very long.

Several China made sites that popped up since I listed bottle stoppers in my search. Did not check out.

Ruth Niles' site was well down the page (number 8). It is nilesbottlestoppers.com.
Her 301 (long standing favorite) and her 701 (new stand up stopper)
are 6.55 each (for 1 - 9); 5.60 each for 20 - 49.
Ruth's site has been around for years (I have looked several times in the past ten years.) and she is a long time advertiser in AAW publications and a vendor at Eastern symposia.

Ann Herbst
 
Be SURE it's Ruth Niles and not her ex-machinist!!!!

There's a long story behind this, but there is a machinist company whose owners are going to great lengths to take Ruth's business away from her. They have set up a web site and also print advertising that is specifically designed to confuse consumers, making us think we're getting the real thing direct from the manufacturer. Please do not be fooled! Ruth's web site, as mentioned above, is http://www.nilesbottlestoppers.com/ Stoppers that come from any other business are not, IMHO, guaranteed to be of the same quality. She no longer uses that machinist, for quality reasons, and has re-sourced her stoppers in order to maintain the absolute best.
 
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I did a web search for "SS Bottle Stoppers manufacturing" and got several sites including Ruth's.

Here are some of my results:

Site number two was ssbottlestoppers.com which claimed to be USA made and the patent holder for the #301. They are giving us "the opportunity to buy manufacturer direct, no more middle man! This keeps the pricing reasonable and you're getting exactly what you have been buying all along." They are in Honesdale, PA so may be Ruth's supplier. The two styles I compared between this site and Ruth's looked alike on the screen and had the same style numbers.
One needs to buy at least 30 with a minimum of 10 for any one type.
For example their 301 the 2006 patent one and their 701 (stand up one) cost 3.38-3.93 (depending on how many one orders.)
3.93 for 10-29; 3.78 for 30 - 89
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Ann Herbst

Per my recent post, no, they are not Ruth's manufacturer -- but they'd like you to think they are. These guys are sleaze-bags, and I beg everyone to please not buy from them. I cannot share the info I have on the situation, but I can share that it makes me burning mad. Ruth has worked so hard to build an excellent artist-oriented business with superb product and customer service. She deserves all of our support, IMHO.
 
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Not sure how they test for different grades of stainless steel. I am sure there is a way. However my guess is they are using the 304 since it is the most common thus most likely the best priced stainless steel. I looked up the different grades and to be honest it looks as though any grade would work fine for bottle stoppers. The grade chart did say that 316 is actually the food grade stainless, designed for serving food on it.

I don't know Ruth but I have done business with her in the past and she was great. Having said that I agree with Richard that people get pretty rabid with certain products niles stoppers, robust lathes, and a few more. Fine products but that doesn't mean they are the absolute best and that there are no good alternatives out there to suit ones needs.

Ruth uses 304, winery and FDA tested and approved, with a lifetime guarantee on the stoppers and O-rings. I've seen a couple of pictures of so-called stainless stoppers that corroded -- truly ugly, and certainly not what customers would tolerate. Yep, I'm rabid -- blatant dishonesty does raise my hackles, most especially when it is laser-targeted at an undeserving individual.
 
Known Ruth since the beginning and I wouldn't buy my stainless stoppers from anyone else. I also own quite a few of her T shirts but haven't looked to see if she is still selling those.
 
Known Ruth since the beginning and I wouldn't buy my stainless stoppers from anyone else. I also own quite a few of her T shirts but haven't looked to see if she is still selling those.

Totally agree with John. Besides her superior products, she is a super lady, very pleasant to deal with.
 
There's a long story behind this, but there is a machinist company whose owners are going to great lengths to take Ruth's business away from her. They have set up a web site and also print advertising that is specifically designed to confuse consumers, making us think we're getting the real thing direct from the manufacturer. Please do not be fooled! Ruth's web site, as mentioned above, is http://www.nilesbottlestoppers.com/ Stoppers that come from any other business are not, IMHO, guaranteed to be of the same quality. She no longer uses that machinist, for quality reasons, and has re-sourced her stoppers in order to maintain the absolute best.

This is distressing. I remember years ago that someone stole Ruth's A-301 design and started manufacturing exact copies. After a huge outcry I thought that guy went away. Is this ex-machinist that same guy?

JKJ
 
It seems to me that the "grand loyalty" is deserved in this case, and maybe others mentioned. I would rather deal with a fellow turner who knows not only her product but also her customers personally. On my first order I called and spoke to Ruth about options. We chatted about turning and trouble I was having with the skew at the time. I have since had the opportunity to meet and chat with her two or three times and she embodies the best of both turners and vendors.
 
This is distressing. I remember years ago that someone stole Ruth's A-301 design and started manufacturing exact copies. After a huge outcry I thought that guy went away. Is this ex-machinist that same guy?

JKJ

I think this is the company you are referring to John. Sorry to admit they are Canadian. Have no idea of their quality or character other than they were opportunists. http://www.dfi-stainless-steel.com
 
Just checked with the guy that went to Total Turning. He said this SS Bottle Stoppers is a machine shop that used to make Ruth Niles stoppers.

Apparently she had a sign at her booth in NY how she had some returned about 2 yrs ago because of rusting, found out this shop lied and were using an inferior grade of stainless so she got a new shop to make them and she was taking responsibility to replace any rusted stoppers from that time period.

I guess we have to decide... if this is all true... do we want cheap or quality that's backed up? Both sites say food grade steel and o-rings.

Maybe a lot of people don't keep a bottle of wine for days but I want to sell my work and I don't want it returned as inferior. I don't care who makes the stoppers or who sells them, I have my own reputation to worry about.
 
Welcome to the AAW forum, Mary. I noticed that the Niles website states that their bottle stoppers are "Made of 18-8 304 FDA kitchen grade stainless steel" and "If they don't say "SS Niles", they are not my food-grade stainless stoppers". In doing a web search I also noticed similar statements on other websites that sell craft type items or cater to those who make craft show items.

There aren't any official FDA kitchen or food grades of stainless steel. The first number in type 18-8 is the percentage of chromium and the second number, 8 is the percentage of nickel. Type 18-8 is the most common type of 304 stainless steel.

There are at least fifty stainless steel alloys and a number of different one are used in the kitchen or in the food processing industry. Because of its high ductility, 200 series SS is often used for kitchen sinks, pots and pans, dairy, and food processing equipment. Certain types of blades in food processors and kitchen knives require a very hard 400 series martensitic alloy of stainless steel. Then there are stovetops, eating and serving utensils as well as a myriad of other food processing equipment that use a variety of different SS alloys.

I'm a bit suspicious about claims of having the steel tested and the motivation since it's an expensive proposition. But, at the same time, Ruth Niles is well known in the woodturning community and makes good quality stoppers and I don't see the need for misleading statements.
 
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BTW, several years ago I bought some stoppers from Ruth at SWAT and later discovered that the quality of the stoppers was rather poor. I talked to her the following year and she mentioned a problem with the shop that made the stoppers. Maybe it's the same shop that you mentioned.

Someone mentioned Alibaba. They are sort of like the Google of Asian manufacturers looking for markets in the US.
 
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Stoppers

I just joined a club in FL and we got flyers from SS Bottle Stoppers manufacturing and they have really cheap prices. We were going to place a club order but one of our members went to Totally Turning in NY last month and said a lot of turners were saying that this company is not using food safe stainless steel. Seems a club in Maine got some and not sure if they had problems or what but anyway, they had one tested and it is not 304 18-8 (as the ad and their website claims) but an inferior grade.

Some of our club members sell their work and they don't want to tell their customers it's FDA food grade stainless if it's not. Does any one know anything about this?

Thanks for your help.

That company is not the original SS stoppers,,,they are selling an inferior grade stainless stopper in an effort to put Ruth Niles out of business, they used to be her manufacturer until she found out they were shipping her a lower grade stainless stopper,when she started using another supplier, they decided to undersell her and thought no one would know theirs wasn't as advertised.......she has always treated her customers fairly and has even decided to replace at her own expense, any of the previous stoppers purchased from her that have proven not to be as advertised......and is finding there are a few people who have had problems with them.....again, that company does not deserve your business.....stick with a known vendor who has treated you fairly for many years, not someone who is in it just to hurt a previous customer....
 
Materials and design

There is a group, 3-A Sanitary Standards and accepted practices for food machinery materials and design. See www.3-a.org.

This is for machinery that is used in the production of foods.

The preferred stainless steel is 316 grade with 304 acceptable. The material should be passivated, a surface treatment, to seal the surface.

The design of parts that come in contact with the food should NOT have sharp corners to trap food and be hard to clean. This would seem to rule out O rings in a groove as a gasket material.

The USDA for dairy allows all 300 series stainless steel EXCEPT for 301 and 302 grades. For alcohol, and as the stoppers are used for salad dressing, acid resistant I do not know the best material.

What are the O Rings made off?

Myself I use Silicone Bottle stoppers. They are cheaper, non reactive with the materials in the bottle, can hold some small pressure ( my wife never can finish a beer in one sitting) and are replaceable if required. Admittedly not as elegant as the stainless steel type but I only give them away, not sell them.

For more google <3-a sanitary standards materials>.

Actually cork would not be acceptable per the standard as it is porous but it is used and acceptable.

Stu
 
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I know nothing about the bottle stoppers, but...

The common stainless alloys are 303, 304 and 316.

303 is known as a free machining variety. Not weldable and not particularly corrosion resistant. Stoppers made with this would be easiest to machine. Maybe not the best for liquid contact.

304 is weldable, not as easy to machine as 303. Some corrosion resistance. Good general purpose alloy.

316 is weldable and the most corrosion resistant of the the three. Used extensively in marine applications.

I would think all of these should be passivated after machining. Passivation is an acid bath to remove any free iron particles that might rust with liquid exposure. Occasionally you'll see something made of stainless with small rust streaks because it wasn't passivated.
 
Just checked with the guy that went to Totally Turning. He said this SS Bottle Stoppers is a machine shop that used to make Ruth Niles stoppers.

Apparently she had a sign at her booth in NY how she had some returned about 2 yrs ago because of rusting, found out this shop lied and were using an inferior grade of stainless so she got a new shop to make them and she was taking responsibility to replace any rusted stoppers from that time period.

I guess we have to decide... if this is all true... do we want cheap or quality that's backed up? both sites say food grade steel and o-rings.

Maybe a lot of people don't keep a bottle of wine for days, but I want to sell my work and I don't want it returned as inferior. I don't care who makes the stoppers or who sells them, I have my own reputation to worry about.
 
What a hoot! Up to 25 comments on stainless steel bottle stopper suppliers! We sure are passionate people! I remember the wrath I received when I told people they could do a certain guys camera hollower for about $20. Even had a guy call me a liar and questioned if I even made one. That darned creative mind we have! I guess you folks send that live center back to Jet and Powermatic since they knocked off Oneway!
 
What a hoot! Up to 25 comments on stainless steel bottle stopper suppliers! We sure are passionate people! I remember the wrath I received when I told people they could do a certain guys camera hollower for about $20. Even had a guy call me a liar and questioned if I even made one. That darned creative mind we have! I guess you folks send that live center back to Jet and Powermatic since they knocked off Oneway!

Being passionate is sort of the mantra of being an artist ... passion fuels creativity ... and, sometimes we are even passionate about being passionate. 🙄
 
What a hoot! Up to 25 comments on stainless steel bottle stopper suppliers! We sure are passionate people! I remember the wrath I received when I told people they could do a certain guys camera hollower for about $20. Even had a guy call me a liar and questioned if I even made one. That darned creative mind we have! I guess you folks send that live center back to Jet and Powermatic since they knocked off Oneway!

It is my understanding that powermatic negotiated the rights to the live center with some encouragement.

It is my belief that when someone profits from appropriating/stealing/copying someone's products or artwork it crosses the line.

Appropriating for personal use is not taking money out of the makers pocket.

Ruth Niles has been ripped off a bit.
I heard a rumor that her multi center Chuck is being produced in China for another vendor.
I think that would be terribly wrong. Others view it as fair game if Ruth did not have a patent.

We all have different standards, ethics, senses of decency.

Al
 
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This is distressing. I remember years ago that someone stole Ruth's A-301 design and started manufacturing exact copies. After a huge outcry I thought that guy went away. Is this ex-machinist that same guy?

JKJ
I don't know for sure, but I kinda doubt it. These guys were her original machinists, but she had to switch due to quality problems. That's when they went into full-war mode, from what I've heard determined to put her out of business.
 
Just checked with the guy that went to Total Turning. He said this SS Bottle Stoppers is a machine shop that used to make Ruth Niles stoppers.
Yup.

Apparently she had a sign at her booth in NY how she had some returned about 2 yrs ago because of rusting, found out this shop lied and were using an inferior grade of stainless so she got a new shop to make them and she was taking responsibility to replace any rusted stoppers from that time period.
Yup, I've seen those pictures and they are quite ugly. Imagine finding out your wedding or birthday present had deteriorated like that. Not good for business.

I guess we have to decide... if this is all true... do we want cheap or quality that's backed up? Both sites say food grade steel and O-rings.
Yeah, well, they told their business partner (Ruth) that the steel was food grade. Not. From what I remember before she edited them out of her "About Us" page, she shared the patent with them, so they had a tight business relationship. "With friends like that...."

Maybe a lot of people don't keep a bottle of wine for days but I want to sell my work and I don't want it returned as inferior. I don't care who makes the stoppers or who sells them, I have my own reputation to worry about.
Amen! Mary Jane: I want to thank you for bringing your questions to the forum. I've known about the SS problem for months, but didn't feel comfortable bringing it up just as a cheerleader (especially being the newbie I am). I am glad to see the issue out in the open and generating this kind of discussion!
 
What a hoot! Up to 25 comments on stainless steel bottle stopper suppliers! We sure are passionate people! I remember the wrath I received when I told people they could do a certain guys camera hollower for about $20. Even had a guy call me a liar and questioned if I even made one. That darned creative mind we have! I guess you folks send that live center back to Jet and Powermatic since they knocked off Oneway!

Just to put things in perspective: This isn't just about stainless stoppers, it's about a person's livelihood, her business that she spent almost 2 decades building, and (IMHO) the person who set the standard for what we should expect in quality, creativity and customer service. Far beyond "Ford v. Chevy" or "Jet v. Delta" or "Oneway v. Robust." The machinists did her wrong with sub-par quality, probably just to put a few more pennies in their pockets, and then try to wipe her out when she goes to someone more honest? Bleepin' bleeps, I say.
 
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Just to put things in perspective: This isn't just about stainless stoppers, it's about a person's livelihood, her business that she spent almost 2 decades building, and (IMHO) the person who set the standard for what we should expect in quality, creativity and customer service. Far beyond "Ford v. Chevy" or "Jet v. Delta" or "Oneway v. Robust."

Our economic system is set up for open competition, unless a patent protects the design and engineering. What perspective? Are we only to purchase from someone that has run a business well for 2 decades? No new supplier need apply? Only Ruth has provided those 3 qualities to her customers? Sorry, just not agreeing to a Ruth only bottle stopper system.
 
Our economic system is set up for open competition, unless a patent protects the design and engineering. What perspective? Are we only to purchase from someone that has run a business well for 2 decades? No new supplier need apply? Only Ruth has provided those 3 qualities to her customers? Sorry, just not agreeing to a Ruth only bottle stopper system.
I think you're missing the point.
 
Definitely missing the point. Ruth has worked hard to build a business that has trust with her customers. These guys underselling her and using a name so similar that I almost didn't catch it. I hope she sues their butts off. I for one will continue to purchase her products.
 
Hmmm....have any of you bottle stopper folks considered making the whole unit out of wood? Wood has natural anti-bacterial properties not present in the combination of stainless steel and O-rings (under those O-rings seems like an ideal place for bacteria to multiply).


As to the Ruth Niles situation......it's unfortunate it happened. Having been in contract manufacturing for 30 some years I can say problems like this are common. I would not be so quick to judge the machine shop based on what's been offered here. Best to hear their side of the story first, it's easy to imagine they stood to lose a very substantial investment in tooling to make her parts. Strange that Ruth didn't have a basic non-compete clause in their agreement.
 
Hmmm....have any of you bottle stopper folks considered making the whole unit out of wood? Wood has natural anti-bacterial properties not present in the combination of stainless steel and O-rings (under those O-rings seems like an ideal place for bacteria to multiply).


As to the Ruth Niles situation......it's unfortunate it happened. Having been in contract manufacturing for 30 some years I can say problems like this are common. I would not be so quick to judge the machine shop based on what's been offered here. Best to hear their side of the story first, it's easy to imagine they stood to lose a very substantial investment in tooling to make her parts. Strange that Ruth didn't have a basic non-compete clause in their agreement.

Not sure about all-wood stoppers -- I remember the big kerfufles about wood v. plastic cutting boards years ago. Wasn't it kinda like research on various vitamins -- story changed every time someone else did a study? As far as the ex-machinists, they provided those stoppers for 10 years or so, I'm sure they paid off their machines. And apparently, the first 100 were made just "off-the-cuff" so not even sure it took special equipment. As to the non-compete clause, there's no way for us to know if there was one or not. I'm under the impression there is some legal leverage being exerted to get them to stop (seems like copyright infringement might be a way to go?), but we only speculate here.
 
The Whole Truth ........

After receiving a few emails asking about this thread, I thought it best to check it out. Keeping it simple and totally HONEST:

1. Steer Machine, aka SS Bottle Stoppers has every legal right to sell the stoppers at whatever price they deem necessary. It's hard enough trying to make a living as a small machine shop with so many companies taking their jobs to China. They are doing what they have to do..... as we all do.

2. Steer and I have the patent together.

3. No one said I was the only one to buy stoppers from, they did say I was the only one to buy MY stoppers from. I am friendly with all my competitors and have no problem referring customers to them if they prefer their style. They want to buy my mandrel but Craft Supplies stoppers: fine, I tell them which stoppers are their best. Want to use my stoppers but like PSI's mandrel; fine, it will work and you save money since it's only $9.99.

4. Not going into the details of FDA, food grade, 304, 316 etc. (I have had to learn way more than I ever wanted to know about this from the FDA directly, from 3 steel suppliers, from a professional metallurgist and from an independent testing lab! .... it cost $195 to test one stopper!!!)
5. I support myself selling stoppers and Richard Joyner's off-set jig (just his distributor) and supplement that income selling my turning work. I respect my customers in both venues too much to try to defraud them. I don't want MY stoppers, bowls or coffee scoops coming back as not what I represented them to be!

6. There is only ONE point here: Is it important to you to know a supplier/vendor is honest and you are getting what he says you are getting? ..... for stoppers, waxes, pen supplies, wood, everything!

Shouldn't you be able to trust a supplier? I've heard, "You can't believe anything, everyone does it" (lies, steals, whatever) NO, "everyone" does not do it. I, and most independent vendors, will never deceive nor misrepresent nor make false claims. I won't lie to you or to the people who buy my turnings.

I tried to tell a big lie once, got about half way through, stopped and said, " no wait, I'm lying" ..... it's too hard to do!
Little lies: "Do you like my hair cut" "You look great." That's kindness.
 
Not sure about all-wood stoppers -- I remember the big kerfufles about wood v. plastic cutting boards years ago. Wasn't it kinda like research on various vitamins -- story changed every time someone else did a study? As far as the ex-machinists, they provided those stoppers for 10 years or so, I'm sure they paid off their machines. And apparently, the first 100 were made just "off-the-cuff" so not even sure it took special equipment. As to the non-compete clause, there's no way for us to know if there was one or not. I'm under the impression there is some legal leverage being exerted to get them to stop (seems like copyright infringement might be a way to go?), but we only speculate here.

From sanitary standards,

Wood, which is highly porous and difficult to clean, should be avoided as a food contact surface. Wood is restricted in food service applications by most regulatory agencies, with the exception of hardwood cutting boards and tight grain butcher blocks.

However cork is used to seal many wine bottles.

Stu
 
What a hoot! Up to 25 comments on stainless steel bottle stopper suppliers! We sure are passionate people! I remember the wrath I received when I told people they could do a certain guys camera hollower for about $20. Even had a guy call me a liar and questioned if I even made one. That darned creative mind we have! I guess you folks send that live center back to Jet and Powermatic since they knocked off Oneway!

Under full disclosure, any human mentioned in this post, I consider them a friend (1st) , and likely a business associate (2nd), even if they don't.

I think for most of us, it is about supporting the community instead of "a large corporation". And for each of us, based on relationships, large is a relative or perhaps non-existent term. There are very few large corporations in earning, in woodturning.

In the case of Ruth, it is helping Ruth, the inventor and someone who has done the grass roots work, to sell the product in the community. She is a tireless teacher of the product. It goes beyond sales.

In the case of the camera, the "inventor" Trent Bosch, it is someone publicly (or at least seemingly) trying to give away his sweat equity in it, and Trent does live off the sales of the product.

We are a community who mostly tries to take care of those who invest in the community. We want to assist that person and that relationship. It is sort of like "grow local, buy local" but it is the inside community.

Don't get me wrong, the Internet has opened up a lot of innovation and opportunity, but openly reverse engineering or undercutting the originator isn't well tolerated within the wood turning community as demonstrated here, as many have come to Ruth rescue.

i am an avid cyclist ( when I can ride) and am part of the local biker shops culture as well. They aren't a chain, but I am willing to pay more to buy from friends. And not to sound pompous, but a few times when I was downtrodden (both medically, not business) the woodturing community has come to my aid.
 
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Thanks, Ruth

I am one of the people who wrote Ruth, suggesting she might want to look over the comments and give input where she saw fit. So glad she did. Have to say, though, when I look at the graphics that Steer Machine puts on their website and print ads, it still burns me. If these two companies were big corporate players, there would be a lot of lawyers making money right now.😛
 
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