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Another white oak bowl

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A few weeks ago I laid up some more of the curly White Oak from the same board I made the last bowl I posted; it had been sitting in the press curing while I have been packing for our move.
Today I had a chance to throw it up on the lathe a make a go at it; This curly whit oak is a real challenge to turn I was able to get two blanks glued up and had tried to turn the smaller one a few weeks ago and had a catch and it blew out the tenon I've just set that one aside for now and worked on this 10" x 5" bell shaped bowl today to give myself a break from all this moving stuff.
The finish is just one coat of Tung oil so far.
I like the way this one came out even though it doesn't have as much figure as the last one; I'm open for C&C.

Bruce
 

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Sorry, but I'm just not a fan of curly woods laid up in rings like that. The curl fights back and forth from ring to ring, and just doesn't visually flow.
 
Sorry, but I'm just not a fan of curly woods laid up in rings like that. The curl fights back and forth from ring to ring, and just doesn't visually flow.
That's okay I'm not a fan of turning green wood and going through all the drying process to find your piece has cracked or split; everybody has there own likes and dislikes. 😀

Bruce
 
That's okay I'm not a fan of turning green wood and going through all the drying process to find your piece has cracked or split; everybody has there own likes and dislikes. 😀 Bruce

Bruce

Unfortunately the greenwood turning stacks the deck against new turners.
The experienced turners rarely have a piece crack the newer turners rarely have one not crack

Successful green wood turners
Start with wood that is crack free
Turn shapes with flowing curves that let the wood move
Curves that allow the wood to move,
Even wall thickness through out
Work fast so the wood doesn't dry out on the lathe
Control the drying of the finished piece

All of these things take time to learn.

Have fun,
Al
 
Yes I have a lot to learn still and once a our new house and I get my new shop up and running I'll give this greenwood turning a better go of it.
It seems to cut very easy / smooth when green and from what I gather you need to submerge the piece in DNA to drive out the moisture and then dry slowly in bags etc?

Bruce
 
No DNA necessary. I've turned 29 oak bowls, green to finished in one step, the last 6 weeks. No cracks in any of them. From 18" down to 8" diameters. Turned to 5/16" wall or less, in a paper bag for 3 days, then air dry a few more days, then to low temps in a bowl drying kiln.
 
Yes I have a lot to learn still and once a our new house and I get my new shop up and running I'll give this greenwood turning a better go of it. It seems to cut very easy / smooth when green and from what I gather you need to submerge the piece in DNA to drive out the moisture and then dry slowly in bags etc? Bruce

There are two basic methods of turning bowls from green wood.

1. Turn them to finish in one session. I do natural edge bowls this way and a few cut rim bowls. They are going to warp but that just makes them better.
These bowls I turn the walls 3/8 to a 1/4" thick. These are the most fun and can be done at all levels.

2. Rough turn with a wall thickness about 10% of diameter dry. The warped bowl is then returned to make it round.
I dry mine in paper bags. Change the bags daily for dry ones for a week then leave it in the bags until it is dry 6-8 months.

Al
 
Yes I have a lot to learn still and once a our new house and I get my new shop up and running I'll give this greenwood turning a better go of it.
It seems to cut very easy / smooth when green and from what I gather you need to submerge the piece in DNA to drive out the moisture and then dry slowly in bags etc?

Bruce, it is true, turning green wood is addictive ... especially if you cut some green wood in early spring. It will sling water all over you and your shop and it turns like butter.

Personally, I would forget about using alcohol. It is very expensive and unnecessary. On the other hand, there are some turners who swear by it. I see it as one of those topics like politics and religion that are sure to arouse a spirited debate. I did some searching a few years ago and found some technical papers from the early twentieth century on using ethyl alcohol to help stabilize lumber. The gist of what I found wasn't about speeding up drying, but rather improving yield by increasing the plasticity of the lignin in the cell walls in order to reduce internal stresses that cause of warping, bowing, end checking, and other drying defects. It appears that the idea never got traction in the lumber industry probably because it wasn't cost effective. From what I remember, it was necessary to use extremely high pressure to get the alcohol to penetrate to a sufficient depth.

The main requirement for air drying wood is that it needs to be dried slowly to minimize warping and splitting -- the slower, the better. That is why woodturners use Anchorseal, melted wax, and bagging among other things to slow down the drying rate of rough turned pieces. On wood that is prone to moving and cracking, I use Anchorseal. I turn a lot of mesquite which doesn't need any kind of special treatment. It is is very stable and a wet piece can be turned to completion in one session without the need for rough turning followed by air drying that most other species of wood require.

I have also turned some white oak which is plentiful around here and love the character that it has, but it also just loves to split wide open at the slightest provocation. My solution to that problem is to find old dead trees that have some great figure and accept the existing cracks as a part of the character of the wood. Here is a hollowform that is an example of FOG (found on ground) post oak. It was about as hard as a rock to turn, but I love the figure in the wood. All of the cracking had taken place years before I turned it so I didn't have to worry about what was going to happen after it was turned.

BTW, the oak in your layered vessel does have spectacular figure and I can see why you chose to make a turning out of it. I can envision it as a beautiful centerpiece on a coffee table holding a flower arrangement. On one hand, Richard made a valid a point about the discontinuities caused by layering pieces tend to pull the viewer's focus away from the overall piece, but depending on the intended use of the piece, the layers can also work in favor the piece. I'm in favor of encouraging new turners doing their own exploration of various ideas while also engaging in mutual sharing of ideas enabling us to gain even greater opportunities to think outside the box. Something that I have been wanting to try for a long time and that I think you would be interested in as a way to feature the highly figured white oak in a layer bowl is covered in an article titled, "Layered Bowls" by Jim McPhail in Volume 20, Issue 4 of of American Woodturner. If you are an AAW member, you can download any back issue of the journal as one of the member benefits. In essence, the article presents some design ideas using contrasting thin accent layers that help feature the character of figured wood. Here is a screen shot of one of the layered bowls in the article.

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Thank you for all the info Bill; I can't wait to get to our new house and set up my new shop and get back into turning everyday.
I forgot to mention that this bowl was turned w/ out a gouge all work being done w/ scrapers and sand paper.

Bruce
 
Bruce,
If you haven't already you should check out the AAW Clubs in your area the Baltimore area and Chesapeake clubs are well worth a visit.
http://www.chesapeakewoodturners.com
http://baltimoreareaturners.org/index.html

You are getting some nice results.
You can take a giant leap forward in a short time with a bit of instruction.
You seem to be in a position to absorb it all.

The Bowl turning classes and intermediate woodturning at MD hall in Annapolis are excellent. A great foundation.
Joe Dickey is a superb instructor and he has several other great instructors on the woodturning staff.
https://www.marylandhall.org/classes/141/411/247

Also mark Supik does classes there is a schedule in the Baltimore club news letters
http://baltimoreareaturners.org/newsletters/2015-07-jul.pdf
Mark has a custom turning business and is quite famous for his line of beer tap handles.

Troy Beale does classes too in Davidsonville.
Troy is a top notch cabinet maker too.

Have fun
Al
 
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Al Thank you for you kind words and info; right now it is not a good time we just bought a house up in the country and I'm ending up w/ a two story shop on the back of a 3 car garage plus the house and 1/2 acre of land; the house was built in 1900 and was given a makeover in the 50's and the garage was built connecting it to an old barn (the shop) at the same time.
one of the car bays and the connecting barn will be my shop; there's a rolling door connecting them.

I'll have my plate full for awhile once there but once my shop is up and running I'll look for some clubs.

We'll be just south of Gettysburg PA. in MD. Carroll co. here's a photo or two of them.
 

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