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"Private" Remote demonstrations

Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Emiliano Achaval, Jul 23, 2020.

  1. Bill Boehme

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    I hate deleting posts, but one person while brandishing forum rules conveniently ignored the rule about civil behavior.

    As a reminder, if anyone see a problem post, report it to the moderators. We don't need nor do we appreciate the kind of misguided behavior where someone makes a bad situation worse by weaponizing the forum rules.
     
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  2. Roger Wiegand

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    Those who rely on DVD sales for income or as a means to get their teaching out there better get with the program; an ever-increasing number of us no longer own any device that will play a DVD.

    Years ago I transferred all of my home videos to DVD thinking that was a semi-permanent solution. Wrong! When the disks started failing I transferred them onto my computer, just in time, as my current computer has no CD/DVD drive. The one that used to be hooked to the TV was banished to storage after it hadn't been used for several years, and thence to the electronics recycler.
     
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  3. Jeff Brockett

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    There is an entire page on the communities tab of the AAW website that deals with IRDs. https://www.woodturner.org/Woodturn...rs-Toolkit/Chapter-Remote-Demonstrations.aspx Lots of resources for chapters, individuals or demonstrators who are interested in learning more about how to navigate the IRD landscape. In addition there is a list of demonstrators who are offering IRDs. This list will grow as more demonstrators ramp up their ability to offer woodturners more options to learn. The next addition to this community page will be an event calendar where demonstrators can post additional information. The AAW staff is working on this and it should be available in the near future.
     
  4. GRJensen

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    Whoa! Never thought about it until I read Roger's comment ... I have a whole stack of DVD's and nothing to play them on! Time to resurrect one of my old laptop computers and hope the DVD player is still operational!
     
  5. Dave Hulett

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    good discussion. I watching (and multitasking) Cindy's demo on carving up burls. Its wonderful having this level of instruction available in my living room. I now have to consider how much to budget for these each month. LOL!
     
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  6. Emiliano Achaval

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    What a lot of people are doing is a digital download. Simple, easy, fast. No more waiting for your dvd to arrive. You pay, you receive a download link and off you go. I do not a dvd player anymore! ANd I have several VHS woodturning movies, museum pieces now...
     
  7. Michael Nathal

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    External DVD drives that plug into a USB port are available for about $30
     
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  8. Glenn Lefley

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    I had to hunt high and low for a DVD player in an old moving box. Never did find the remote, but can play my woodturning dvds, just can’t pause them without the damn remote!
     
  9. Emiliano Achaval

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    There is always something! I remembered I bought an external dvd writer player for my Macbook. It has a USB connector. My new MacBook has 4 USB-C ports. So now I need an adaptor.
     
  10. Emiliano Achaval

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    I used a program called Handbrake that lets you transfer DVD's to your computer. You can do that to most DVD's, some have a copyright thing that wont let you do it. The DVD's that I have that are woodturning related, I feel it is OK to put them in your computer, I paid once for them...
     
  11. Gerald Lawrence

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    I tried to digitize some of the club library a few years ago and ran into that copyright thing. What that means is that you hen have to buy a digital version . By the way CD's and DVD's do deteriorate just not as fast as tape did.

    Oh and one more thing if you go digital you better buy a backup drive or thumb drive because some day that computer will also go toes up and where will you be then?
     
  12. Tom Gall

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    Geez! I don't have any DVDs......only CDs. I thought I was good to go! :eek:
     
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    i don’t trust the cloud either but it is the way of the future.

    also keep that backup in another building. Or at least another room.

    back in the dark ages
    I got a call from a friend in computer ops (big IBM Mainfrain) one morning.
    He said the chilled water pipe broke and flooded our disc drive which caused a head crash and the disks were literally in pieces. They had a spare drive to bring on line but our backup disc pack was stored on top of the drive and got wet too.
    Crossing fingers worked the back up wasn’t damaged and our day old disc was back on line within a few hours.
    We had a lot of stuff on backup tapes but we still would have lost years of work.
     
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  14. Doug Rasmussen

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    As was already mentioned, USB stand alone DVD drives are relatively inexpensive. So that's not a real problem.

    I don't know or have experience with the disk failing issue you mention. I have had experience with older disks that won't play on my later computers which I believe is more of an operating system issue than a disk failure.

    IRD's are certainly not a solution for retailers as a replacement for DVD sales.

    I wonder how pricing of IRD's will play out. Will it be based on number of participants or a flat rate (or maybe even free)? A four person event for two hours at $10 per participant would hardly be worth the presenter's time, same IRD with 100 participants at $10/per would be $500 per hour.
     
  15. Gerald Lawrence

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    This has been covered in other IRD posts but the new personal IRD is a new puppy and may disappear soon if not financially feasible. The better presenters such as Cindy and Trent will make it in the open market. Now as that that 100 people , not gonna happen in the personal market. The IRD at club level is like any other demo the club pays fee and pockets any excess unless the want to give a tip to presenter as Our club did on one we made over 200 extra. For club level the club takes the risk and is responsible for promo and pricing.
     
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  16. Dave Hulett

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    our club has now received 17 IRD's over the past 2 1/2 years costing between $200 and $350 each. Our average attendence (pre covid-19) was about 45 people so that averages out to between $4 and $8 per person. So nationally known demonstrators are charging what I prefer to call a "public interactive remote demo (PIRD) for $10 is a good deal. Particularly since you are given the ability to watch a recording of it soon after the live showing. Those who are a little computer savy can download the recording to their own computer and then refer to it when you try and implement the techniques demonstrated. I love it!
     
  17. Doug Rasmussen

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    Hmmmm.... this is confusing Dave. Definitions defining similar, but a bit different type events

    The topic of this thread is "private remote demonstrations" using ZOOM with individuals. That's where my curiosity about cost per participant came in. To me that would be a private IRD, as in PIRD needing a ZOOM invitation. But you would call it a Public IRD???

    Your club has done 17 IRD's, were they done with ZOOM? If not with ZOOM, how were they interactive?

    I've participated in commercial product webinars where viewers could interact with the presenter by typing questions on our computers as the presentation continues. The presenter could choose to answer the questions at the time asked or at the end of his presentation (or not at all). Is that an IRD?
     
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    It's going to take some time to develop a common language and understandings as we move into yet another mode of communication. Nothing is forever. I'm told if the Civil War had been photographed in color it would be all gone by now. I'm pleased that the AAW is taking this on as a task by publishing information about the offerings available to clubs and individuals. I have confidence they'll have it figured out soon and it will be with us well into the future.
     
  19. Dave Hulett

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    Started to respond to Doug yesterday then my internet went down... all day! To answer Doug's questions:
    Our club started receiving IRD's almost 3 years ago. We use Zoom for all of them. They are very interactive (ie: clip of Jim Echner IRD to Central Arkansas Woodturners) . Up until earlier this year they were generally just called Remote Demonstrations. But as the community of demonstrators grew I suggested that we add the word "Interactive" which is the key component differentiating them with youtube videos. It stuck and earlier this year and has been adopted by all. It was Trent Bosch who pioneered the idea just a few months ago of offering IRD's to anyone who paid a $10 fee. As opposed to one broadcast to a single WT club. Trent calls his Personal IRD's but I think that is misleading in that anyone can sign up, and 100 people it's anything but personal. Hence, I have suggested to the community that we call these Public IRD's.

    perhaps single point ones to a club could be called "Club IRD's. but I don't think it's nessesary. Although there is a critical difference between the IRD's broadcast to a club in the past and the newer Public IRD's. In the past the Club IRD the demonstrator one had a single internet connection, the one to the club's meeting place. Simple. But with Public IRD's a demonstrator could have 100 people, all with a separate connection. (Cindy had 127 on her's last week.) This adds complication. A demonstrator needs a co-host to monitor the questions that come up through the chat.

    Hope that helps.
     
  20. Emiliano Achaval

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    I think I like @AlanZ suggestion that we do not need to change the name of the sort of agreed IRD name just because who is attending. Funny, I called mine yesterday "private", Trent calls his personal and I heard of public IRD too. Dave: we better come to an agreement fast! LOL
     
  21. Tom Gall

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    No matter what you call it ..... it was a very informative and enjoyable demo. Good job!
     
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  22. Gerald Lawrence

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    When you get down to it what is the point of different names when most turners and especially nonturners will have NO idea what it means. For this reason when I start a post on IRD I define the term. I think the point we have to get across to the public , OK stop right there. The overwhelming majority of turners do not read these forums and do not know what we are talking about to start with so the term will need constant definition. Now back to the point we need to convey is that this is a demo over video allowing you to ask questions and get ANSWERS.
     
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    The Interactive Remote Demonstration is largely the same, the difference we are talking about here is the nature of the audience -- how it is assembled and how they collectively compensate the demonstrator.

    An important aspect, of course, would be the size of the audience (and thus the necessity of a co-host to moderate the questions) -- the range might be from a truly private IRD (one-on-one) up to the recent AWS Virtual Symposium where some of the IRDs apparently had 1000's of people in the live audience! But they are all essentially the same thing, Interactive Remote Demonstrations....
     
  24. Emiliano Achaval

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    Thank you Tom!!
     

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