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Powermatic PM2014 Reviews?

Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Rick Helmig, Apr 19, 2020.

  1. Rick Helmig

    Rick Helmig

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    Greetings,
    I'm interested in this new powermatic model PM2014. I believed it was just released (April 2020). Despite that, I'd still expect to find at least some in-depth reviews or video demos. But other then a few small forum mentions and the manufacture's promo video, I can't seem to find any hands-on analysis.

    Does anyone have one of these and can share their impressions, likes, and dislikes?

    I mostly turn mid-size bowls in the 10"-18" range. Given it's foot print and with the added outboard capability, it's seems suitable for my needs, budget, and my small work area.
    Specs:
    http://www.powermatic.com/us/en/p/powermatic-2014-lathe-and-stand/1792014AK

    Thanks!
    Rick
     
  2. hockenbery

    hockenbery AAW Advisor Staff Member

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    In a normal year the new lathes would get a lot of exposure at the symposium.
    @Jeff Brockett reported having a prototype to evaluate.
    People with Jeff’s experience will be hard to find.

    I don’t expect to see one anytime soon.
     
  3. john lucas

    john lucas AAW Forum Expert

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    There have been a few odds and ends posts on facebook of people.buying the lathe but no reviews that I know of.
     
  4. Glenn Lefley

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    I see a tool craze post. C817E7EA-16B0-4B94-B6FD-99759CEAEC5B.jpeg 9251B195-2716-4E7A-9A79-653AEECE447C.jpeg
     
  5. Kelson Ditch

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    Look up Billy Burt (the Messy Studio) on Youtube. He has an unboxing/assembly video and a review video of the PM2014.
     
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  6. Glenn Lefley

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    Boy. I’d be scared to use a lathe that light. In the video the sound of the thin metal shelf resonating and the whole lathe shaking when starting up a 12 inch diameter piece of out of balance wood. I guess I’m just to spoiled with my Oneway 850lb lathe.

    The first first thing I would do is bolt that lathe to the floor or add a shelf full of sand. But for 2,000 us you would think it would weigh a lot more to counter act vibration and walking across shop floor.
     
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  7. Rick Helmig

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    Thanks, Kelson. That was EXACTLY what I was looking for! I guess I was just a few hours too early from when I searched and when those videos were posted. Much appreciated.
     
  8. Rick Helmig

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    Thanks, Glenn. I agree totally. For that price point, I expected more. Too bad.
     
  9. Kelson Ditch

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    I ordered one before I found Billy's videos, to replace my current lathe. The stand struck me as the weak point, but I figure I can bolt it to the floor and/or build a underneath shelf to add mass. Given that I'm currently turning on a Craftsman 'tube' lathe, this should be a significant upgrade.
     
  10. Glenn Lefley

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    Yes for $2.000 US dollars. I could not believe he was saying how good it was in his reviews while listening to the thin metal noises in the stand, and watching it run across the floor with only a 12 inch blank in it. He was even mentioning you had to stick your finger down the banjo hole to reset the two pieces of metal when you change out tool rests. I believe he mentioned the ways where a little on the thin size too, but I only watched part of video. It was like he was a powermatic salesman demoing the lathe. Pointing out imperfections but talking them down like they where no big deal and one could easily live with them.
    He was even comparing it to his comet lathe.
     
  11. Dean Center

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    Rick, you say you turn 10-18", but the 2014 only has a 14" throw, which means it could reasonably only turn a 12" bowl. Am I missing something?
     
  12. hockenbery

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    This is the same pinch nut lock that is used on the Robust, the first Powermatic and now on the current Powermatic and bigger jets. It is a solid lock but is free to slide without a tool rest in place and the weight of the handle will close it blocking the hole

    what owners learn to do is open the lock an extra turn and not bump the banjo until the next toolrest is in place.
    A cool thing is that without a tool rest in place the whole mechanism slides out so it can be inserted from the other side to move the locking handle if it was in the way.

    as Oneway owner I let the lock handle drop when I forget on these lathes then I have to open the lock and push the nut blocking the hole to the side.

    You are just spoiled using a ONEWAY banjo... I know I am....
     
  13. Glenn Lefley

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    Haha . It’s all I’ve ever known. I’ve often wondered why I see some high end lathes with a Oneway banjo on them. Now I know!
     
  14. Glenn Lefley

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    I believe a 2014 will turn a 20 inch bowl but only a 14 inch spindle.
     
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    hockenbery AAW Advisor Staff Member

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    this is a 14” swing lathe.

    Powermatic nomenclature has been
    the first two digits distance between centers
    the last 2 digits swing

    3520 - 35” between centers. 20” swing
    2020. - 20” between centers 20” swing
    2014. 20” between centers. 14” swing

    page from Powermatic

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  16. GRJensen

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    Here's a link to Billy Burt's review:
    View: https://youtu.be/KZqfribSNYw
     
  17. Glenn Lefley

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    Will that’s confusing. I’m just too use to Oneway terms.
    All Oneway the first numbers are swing and last two numbers are length. Like the 2436 is 24 inch bowl and 36 inch spindle. I quess they had to be different.
    In that case I guess for $2,000 with a 14 inch max swing it is not that bad of a deal for the quality. I assumed from video it was a 20 inch lathe and it was walking across the shop with only a 12 inch piece of wood on it. And could not imagine what would happen if they went larger.
     
  18. Joe Kaufman

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    In the specifications above, third from bottom, Motor Phase = 1. I believe the input power is single phase, the motor is 3 phase.
     
  19. Rick Helmig

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    I mentioned the outboard turning capability. That would have gotten me to the 18".
     
  20. GRJensen

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    That is correct. I don't have one, but I am contemplating adding a PM2014 to my shop.
     
  21. Jeff Brockett

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    I had the Powermatic 2014 lathe prototype in my shop for several weeks prior to it being release for sale. Several local woodturners ranging in skill from beginner to professional came and put the lathe through it's paces. All of us agreed that the PM2014 (14" swing with a 20" bed) was a well made piece of equipment. The moveable headstock, remote switch, and indexing feature built in to the remote switch were all pluses. The stand is adjustable and the lathe with stand weighs in at around 275 pounds. I have had the opportunity to test drive several mid sized lathes and if you put an out of round blank on any of them they will vibrate. Having owned a couple of different lathes my best recommendation is that I plan to purchase a PM2014 lathe (already own a PM3520!) and based on the testing reviews and comments of those who tried it out would rate it a 4.5 out of a 5 scale. Please PM me with any questions you might have. Full disclosure I did not receive any compensation from JPW Industries and have no affiliation with them.
     
  22. john lucas

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    Jeff. Do you know if any of the 3520 parts will fit that lathe, like the 18" bed extension. Are the bed rails the same so that accessories I made to lock onto the rails of my Powermatic might fit. How about the tool rest post size. Is it 1". I'm very interested in that lathe.
     
  23. Jeff Brockett

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    John, I don't believe any of the accessories that fit the PM3520 will fit the PM2014. The tool rest is 1", thread is 1 1/4 x 8 and #2 morse taper on both headstock and tailstock. There is an optional bed extension. What I really like was the moveable headstock and the fact that the lathe operated on 110 volt power. I tried to stall the motor out by hogging down with heavy cuts and it kept on running fine. I was able to move it around in the shop by myself using a two wheel hand truck.
     
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    I would be using g it to demo on when I travel. Pulling the headstock, tailstock and banjo off probably make.the bed weigh less than my Delta Midi. I do pull 5he tailstock.and banjo.off that but its.still.prettu heavy and kind of awkward because.of the headstock.
     
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    John, when I took the headstock, tailstock and banjo off it was even easier to transport.
     
  26. Mark Jundanian

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    Are you replacing th 3520 or adding a lathe? If the later, how do you plan to use the 2014?
     
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    I ordered one yesterday (4/27/20) ... it will serve as a second lathe, beside my PM3520C.
     
  28. Randy Heinemann

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    It would appear that it might be a great lathe for a turner who mainly turns bowls 8”-10” bowls or smaller with an occasional 12” bowl. It looks heavier and more powerful than most lathes that size in the test I saw on YouTube. For anyone who has actually used it, is that accurate?
     
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    I thought his review was not complexly helpful and worried me when the lathe started walking across the floor.
     
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    Mine doesn't walk ... may have been an uneven floor in Billy's shop. I haven't turned anything big & off-balance on the 2014 (I have a 3520C to handle those jobs). I have had mine for 3 months now, and have had no issues.
     
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    Got my 2014 in July. Bought it without the stand and built a heavy table for it that allows a Northern Tool hydraulic table to slide under it. This lets me roll it out of the shop to under the shed roof. Did get the bed extension for it. Since I don’t do much spindle work, the extension in the lower position gives me a larger swing. Most of my work is bases, molds and rims for Nantucket baskets with the occasional bowl and platter thrown in. Bought this to replace a Yates J70 that didn’t have the swing I needed. So far, I have been very pleased with it. Like others have said, weight is needed. Putting it on a table and having a 4 drawer metal cabinet full of misc. tools, gouge rack, lower shelf with stuff, probably gives me around 500 pounds which has made it very stable with minimal vibration.
     
  32. Randy Heinemann

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    Are there others who have bought the 2014 since the last post? I'd be curious about feedback from those who have one and use it.
     
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    I have looking and there really is not much information and the video by Billy although I much appreciate him taking the time to make it IMO was just horrible and not really a good representation, the lathe sounded like if was made of tin and it took a walk on him, I am on the fence with this, the Laguna 15-24 or the Jet 1640EVS. I am limited in space. Wish I had the room for something larger.
     

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