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Glenn Lucas Dust Extraction Arm

Discussion in 'Woodturning Discussion Forum' started by Larry Steinmetz, Jan 1, 2021.

  1. Larry Steinmetz

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  2. john lucas

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    I looked.at.it and thought about building something similar. Instead I opted for the system sold by Ken Rizza. In fact I liked it so much I just ordered another rail and installed it so I can now move it the entire length of my Powermatic. Www.woodtuenerswonders.com
     
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  3. Ron Solfest

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    I saw that during Glenn’s demo at the virtual symposium this summer (very good by the way). I was intrigued, but not so much after looking at the cost.

    I have similar capability, albeit without the same flexibility. But mine is affixed to the headstock in a way that it’s pretty much always where I want it. 4C14AC38-4DAB-4AF0-898D-1B1D7904F024.jpeg
     
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  5. Larry Steinmetz

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    Here's a customer picture from Rockler using the above system you mentioned. Looks pretty versatile.


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  6. Dan Stromberg

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    I do like the idea in that picture, but I'd be cautious with it - it looks like he only used 1/3 of the package, and made up the rest from elsewhere. It's hard to get a good picture of my setup, but hopefully this one will work.

    That there are three arms in the Rockler package: The first arm attaches to a fixed flange and is not adjustable.. (Top left in my picture, I have it bolted to a piece of plywood attached to an HVAC bulkhead.) The second arm rotates at the attachment point with the first (but remains perpendicular to it). The third arm is the most adjustable - it will pivot in line with the joint from the second arm, plus is extendable.

    I would agree with many of the reviews on the Rockler site in that I wish it was more adjustable/articulating, but for the price I'm certainly happy with it.

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    I got that one with the track also. I found if you take off one of the goosneck arms, it is much easier to move around.
     
  8. Lawrence Duckworth

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    Last thursday I picked up the track system, Quasar light and the vacuum thing. I mounted the vacuum bracket to the wall and made a little platform for the magnetic light, I wanted to be able to use it next to the buffer too. the tin dryer hose ain't gonna last too much longer though.

    I made the one with beam clamps, conduit, and a 4" pvc tee. it worked okay.

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  9. Dean Center

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    Question for those of you who have installed the Rockler/Lucas style systems. They seem to include a very long length of hose. Any downsides you've encountered from a longer or more circuitous path for the shavings?
     
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    I don't have either the Rockler or Lucas style systems, but I do have a Peachtree system that is similar to the 'Black Hole' system currently available from Craft Supplies and Packard Woodworks. These systems use a 4" hose. I don't use mine to collect shavings ... I just let them fall to the floor, then use a broom & dust pan to gather them. For the most part, I just use the dust collecor for sanding ... my dust collector (2hp cyclone) has a 35-gallon bin, and the shavings from one popcorn or salad bowl would fill it up.
     
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    Obviously that depends a lot on the rest of the dust collection system, of course. I have a 3HP Oneida that is about 20-25 feet away, and the flex hose adds maybe an extra 10 feet. So I've got some big losses built in, but tried to overcome them with brute force. :) My setup doesn't catch the shavings that aren't flying directly at it, but it does a decent job when sanding.
     
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    I have found that corrugated hoses really reduce the air flow which is why I have kept those to an absolute minimum in my shop.
     
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    I also bought Ken Rizza's dust collection on the Track system and really like it! It moves in all directions and when sanding you can move the dust collector right to the point where the dust is created. It is nicely engineered and very easy to use and you can slide it up and down the track exactly where you need it.
     

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    I really like it to Lamar, ez to relocate after pushing it out of the way for chuck change etc.

    If I wanted more range I would mount the vac bracket on a 4 foot swing jib.
     
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    My experience is similar to Gerald (above). I have the Craft Supplies Black Hole Dust catcher. It is very convenient for me. Track is mounted to the back of the lathe and easily slides out of the way, or arm just pushes back away from the lathe. I wound up cutting the vertical post about 6” shorter than supplied. It’s still adjustable and more than sufficient for my set-up. I also only use it to collect...wait for it...dust. This is primarily because I don’t want to clog the strainer on my Jet 1.5 HP collector with larger shavings. I also generate a lot of shavings when I’m processing a few rounds into bowl blanks. I’ve been adding to a pile in my yard that we use for mulching in the garden beds. Fortunately, a neighbor with a much bigger yard has discovered these and I happily invited her to take as much as she needs.
     
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    my biggest consideration was interference with the pm banjo, and of course dust collection:D
     
  17. Matthew Ferriter

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    I just started using this system (Loc-Line) along with my dust collector. I had to adapt it down from 4" to 2.5", but adapters are readily available. I'd prefer the full 4" diameter, so looking into 3D printing some parts.
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    I bought the Woodturners Wonders track system and dust extraction accessory and it has been great. Ken Rizza can help with any questions you might have. Really nice guy! The track system attaches very easily on my Powermatic 3520B. Highly recommend. https://woodturnerswonders.com/collections/lathe-track
     
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    I went to place my order and realized his business is about 4 miles from my house! .....(can't see it from the road and no signage)
     
  20. Lars Hansen

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    @ Matthew (and maybe others):
    If you have access to a 3D printer, this is the 3" DIY version.
    Accuracy is ok, very little air seeping in through the joints.

    https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3283786

    Sadly no 4" version that I know of...
     
  21. Mike Adams

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    I just made a small hood from a 6" aluminum downspout and a couple of end caps. It's just right for pens on my turncrafter using a shop vac. I'm going to make one like yours for my Nova, but I plan to glue on a couple of end caps before I saw the thing in half. I tried the my small one without end caps and it didn't pull in as much as it does with the caps.

    I'd rather spend the money on tools or consumables than simple infrastructure.
     
  22. Lawrence Duckworth

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    Mike, I think the end caps are a good idea. the improvement the store bought cone shaped collector I'm using now really surprised me. I did run 5" metal duct pipe and reduced it to 4" at the lathe thinking that might help...but I donno if it matters much.
     
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    IMG_7703.JPG IMG_7702.JPG I have been using this simple system for almost 20 years and it costs a few dollars to put together. Can be moved anywhere you want it. The Flexible tubing is held to the 1x3 swing arm with 14 gauge electrical wire and hardware cloth on the opening stops large shavings getting sucked into the collector. The 2x2 post is in a 5 gallon pail filled with sand or gravel. I have more on dust collecttion at www.picturetrail.com/mikebrazeau
     
  24. Dave Hulett

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    Thought I'd show you mine as I just modified it a few days ago. Melding ideas from a number of systems, including those mentioned above, this is what I came up with. The board at the top is just plywood but I put on some laminate so it slides smooth. a 2x4 underneath has a t-trac and hose claps support the hose/dust hood. Bolt from the t-track up through the top to support lateral movement, pivot, forward and back movement. The back board doubles as a place to store MT2 devices and the key for my chuck. I've had this basic setup for years but using a Powertec "big gulp" dust hood. But I felt the depth of the big gulp limted the vacumes power so after seeing the hood used on the CSUSA "Black Hole" dust catcher, I replaced with a "Dust Right 4'' Swivel" from Rockler that allows me to pivot the hood vertically or horizontally for both bowl or spindle turning. Easy to do and cheap.

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    I'm going to add some combination of Mike Brazeu's and Dave Hulett's rig for my nova.

    I'll need larger diameter piping on that one.

    There are some great ideas in this thread, too: https://www.aawforum.org/community/index.php?threads/the-most-useful-dust-hood-holder-is.15938
     
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  26. Matthew Ferriter

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    Thanks Lars - we're on the same page. I started printing these segment from PLA a few days ago. I can only print three at a time and each print job takes about 24 hours at 0.1-mm resolution. I've had to do some light sanding since for some reason there's a rough "ring" around the OD. I'll take a few pics when I'm done.
     
  27. Larry Steinmetz

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    I am amazed (probably shouldn't be) at the many ways that people find to solve problems...there are some very good ideas that people have come up with for getting dust collection to their lathes.
     

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